This is why people are losing respect for the police...
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This seems like a good analysis of the newly leaked vid.
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LEAKED VIDEO: Police at Manchester Airport WHAT REALLY HAPPENED!
The video we NEEDED TO SEE - British armed police assaulted by two men who attack them all!Support the police, this is NOT acceptable in the UK!Life lessons ...
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Would totally back that, the crime they committed should see them remanded in custody as they present a clear danger to members of society.
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Some more interesting context to what happened even before the more recently released video footage...
So the police were responding to two previous 'altercations/ violent altercations' apparently that had not invovled the police.
So the police were responding to two previous 'altercations/ violent altercations' apparently that had not invovled the police.
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I imagine the problem would have been that with the footage the police could legally release (ie nothing) that charging and remanding these males would have all but guaranteed worse public disorder.
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Which is, when you think about it, a terrible state of affairs.
True but sometimes you have to do what is right and this clearly isn’t, the threat of violence against the state shouldn’t see criminals walking the street.
He didn't "dish out his own justice". Are you even for real? Did you watch the video? Where in that split second section did he stop to ponder that he may or may may not dish out his own justice
Why does this need explaining to you morons?i mean, have you even kissed a girl
Worse than protesting outside police stations, claiming the police are gangsters, burning effigies?
Is this some sort of appeasement of a particular section of society at the expense of the rest of society?
He didn't "dish out his own justice". Are you even for real? Did you watch the video? Where in that split second section did he stop to ponder that he may or may may not dish out his own justice
i mean, have you even kissed a girl
Firearms officers are taught to justify each and every bullet they may need to fire. I.e justify 'split second decisions'. All police are taught they need to be able to justify any force they use.
I don't think you can honestly look at that footage and find that all the force was justified by common law, under S.117 of PACE 1984 or under S.3 of the Criminal Law 1967 act which are the legal powers officers have in England and Wales to use force on other people.
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They aren't 2 seperate incidents. One caused the other.
I'm in agreement that the cop went too far, likely an emotional reaction. He should face an investigation.
But people, including you it seems, trying to take it out of context aren't helping anyone.
I was hoping for some equal moral judgement when it came to a police woman having her nose broken. But when its not convenient to the unprovoked police violence narrative suddenly people want to remove context and deny the officer was hit (the second was in reference to an X conversation).
As neutral observers we should be wanting to see a situation from all angles, not picking a side and defending it against any evidence to the contrary.
Certainly, from the latest CCTV, looks likes the poor innocent muslim boys, being beaten by the racist white UK police nazis isn't actually the truth.
Let's move over to BBC and see what they got to say about it
I think the plan might of been to charge them later when things had calmed down rather than to do nothing.
I imagine some in the police will now be very relieved the second lot of footage has now come out (even if they cant say so). Because it very much changes the context in which most of the public will view the incident and in particular the officers actions.
Sometimes the correct course of action for the police is not to rush straight to trying to arrest/ prosecute people if they can achieve the same goal in due course but reduce the risk of injury/death/riot/mass property damage etc in the meantime
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At a guess it's because the first video was filmed by a member of the public whereas the newer video is from what looks like a CCTV camera... But you go ahead with your conspiracy theory angle
Perhaps better to wait for the conclusion of the IOPC investigation. If the IOPC decide it was incorrect for the officer to do that, will you still be of the opinion that he was justified?
Yeah I think with the context of the cctv footage that shows the guy in the floor punching the officers only seconds before the head-kick changes things for me. He's clearly intent on using as much violence as he can against the police, and is potentially still an active danger (maybe in hindsight he wasn't, having been effectively incapacitated by the taser, but did the officer register that at the time? How sure can you be that someone will stay down after being tased?), and it's much more of a 'fight' than the officer just deciding to start kicking him out of nowhere.
The way the incident was framed initially by provocateurs made it sound like the officers just came and beat up these peaceful young men an indeterminate amount of time after some earlier altercation. But in reality they'd been viciously assaulting the police only seconds before.
If the two men had come out on top they could well have done a lot worse to the police...
It's really frustrating the way the media reported the story too. I think there should be some means of expediting release of ccvt & bodycam footage in cases like this where a false narrative has got significant traction. I understand it currently can't normally be released until after any criminal trials have concluded, but seems there should be some exceptions.
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Wouldn't surprise me if the one filming it on their phone forgot to put the opening scenes online...At a guess it's because the first video was filmed by a member of the public whereas the newer video is from what looks like a CCTV camera... But you go ahead with your conspiracy theory angle
Perhaps better to wait for the conclusion of the IOPC investigation. If the IOPC decide it was incorrect for the officer to do that, will you still be of the opinion that he was justified?
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In the US (and many other countries) it's very likely both the individuals involved would have likely been shot for that assault. A kick/stamp on the head is getting off lightly in that context.
Those that shared their videos understandably would have missed the initial assault, but in sharing what they did they clearly knew the narrative they were creating, unless of course they included a caveat stating what had happened prior (I haven't seen one).
Those that shared their videos understandably would have missed the initial assault, but in sharing what they did they clearly knew the narrative they were creating, unless of course they included a caveat stating what had happened prior (I haven't seen one).
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