This is why people are losing respect for the police...

[Zatoichi.uK]

I do worry that the public perception had already been set on this. Let's see what gets "cleared up" now. LBC segments I've listened to so far all focused on "police brutality".

I'd also like to know what the previous 2 incidents were.

 

[PlacidCasual]

Oh do shut up.

A person put in a position of responsibility and power violated the law.

End.

We routinely don't investigate many types of crime. There are edge cases where rapists don't go to jail. Shoplifting has effectively been decriminalised. But I have every expectation that the police officer will be sacked for responding badly after being harshly attacked whilst trying to do their job serving the community. We expect these people to keep society civil and when they **** up we destroy them, whilst criminal after criminal that blight the country is treated with kid gloves.

 

[Semple]

Watching the leaked video I think it'll still be determined that the officer's actions went too far - you can clearly see the kick was in retaliation.

However these two guys definitely can't play the victim card and should be done for assault on an emergency worker which I believe gets a custodial sentence.

The one thing I'm surprised is how bad the attempted arrest was. Before they even had a chance to get a taser out the guy in blue had practically floored 2 of them. Why wasn't the 3rd officer already on the taser.

 

[Tech_Boss]

Looks like Lee Anderson was right all along, the copper needs a medal.

 

[ANDREW GREEN]

Looks like Lee Anderson was right all along, the copper needs a medal.

For all the wrong reasons though. He's viewing without context, with context those coppers were doing a very hard job against violent criminals, without you just don't know the level of provocation.

 

[Felon]

Watching the leaked video I think it'll still be determined that the officer's actions went too far - you can clearly see the kick was in retaliation.

I don't think it's clear it was retaliation, as it came literally seconds after the police were getting battered by multiple people whilst reponding to a call (two of them were knocked to the floor), it looks more to me like the officer who kicked, was trying to take the guy out by kicking him unconscious to maintain control, (which I think is reasonable, given the circumstances and the fact they're carrying firearms)

What makes it more ridiculous, is the guy on the bench - having clearly clearly gotten 'stuck in' as hard as he could on one of the officers seconds before, is suddenly sat on a bench with his hands on his head like an innocent schoolboy, he could have kicked off again at any second - and he needed knocking to the ground and dealing with.

 

[Devilman]

We routinely don't investigate many types of crime. There are edge cases where rapists don't go to jail. Shoplifting has effectively been decriminalised.

What the hell does ANY of that have to do with a police officer violating the law he swore to uphold?

The level of what-aboutery over this is utterly ridiculous.

But I have every expectation that the police officer will be sacked for responding badly after being harshly attacked whilst trying to do their job serving the community. We expect these people to keep society civil and when they **** up we destroy them

If a copper breaks the law he is meant to uphold, he should have everything including the kitchen sink thrown at him.

They have significantly more power than "the average joe" and as such they have a responsibility to control themselves.

They should be held to a higher regard than "the average joe".

 

[PlacidCasual]

What the hell does ANY of that have to do with a police officer violating the law he swore to uphold?

You directly responded to this.

We can be certain that the machinery of state will no doubt destroy the public servant that put themselves in harms way and prostate itself before the agressor. Because we have almost given up on dealing with criminality and now largely live with it.

with this

Oh do shut up.

A person put in a position of responsibility and power violated the law.

End.

so I said this

We routinely don't investigate many types of crime. There are edge cases where rapists don't go to jail. Shoplifting has effectively been decriminalised. But I have every expectation that the police officer will be sacked for responding badly after being harshly attacked whilst trying to do their job serving the community. We expect these people to keep society civil and when they **** up we destroy them, whilst criminal after criminal that blight the country is treated with kid gloves.

It's almost like you read my message dismissed it, then I countered and suddenly you don't understand why I responded further explaining.

I was mkaing the point, again, that the only person likely to be harmed by this event is the police officer reacting badly after being attacked. Which is somewhat unfair in a society where so much lawlessness is tolerated.

I'll see if a picture book explanation can be produced if that is insufficiently clear.

 

[Felon]

If a copper breaks the law he is meant to uphold, he should have everything including the kitchen sink thrown at him.

Yeah - that's fine.

However if you attack police armed police officers in a full-blown assault, to the point where they require hospital treatment - you should expect to be smashed to the ground, and get seriously hurt or injured in the process.

If one of the offenders had pushed or shoved the officers, and they were tasered, knocked to the ground and kicked in the head - I'd agree it would have been too much, but in the wider context of the new video - I don't see a problem.

 

[GIBURROWS]

You never kick someone when they are down, let alone a kick to the head.

The media need reprimanding over this, they should be charged with at least the clean up of that police station.

 

[ianh]

A person put in a position of responsibility and power violated the law.

Alternatively - A person put in a position of responsibility and power was using those to stop an active attack carried out on him and his colleagues by two violent criminals and, considering the Officer was armed and therefore could have decided to use lethal force in that situation, used the rule of minimum force to stop a growing threat.

See, its easy to write things based on snippets of video we're all seeing days later from the comfort of our homes all safe and sound. Its harder to be there in that instant feeling like your fighting for your life as you see your colleagues get taken out of the fight leaving you 1v2 against violent attackers. I am genuinely amazed at the restrain the firearms officer showed in NOT drawing his firearm to be completely honest, I know in that situation, as a trained firearms user with 20+ years of military experience, I'd have drawn mine and then seen where it goes from there, but the Police are obviously better trained than I was at reacting to criminal activity vs my military training.

 

[SkodaMart]

Alternatively - A person put in a position of responsibility and power was using those to stop an active attack carried out on him and his colleagues by two violent criminals and, considering the Officer was armed and therefore could have decided to use lethal force in that situation, used the rule of minimum force to stop a growing threat.

See, its easy to write things based on snippets of video we're all seeing days later from the comfort of our homes all safe and sound. Its harder to be there in that instant feeling like your fighting for your life as you see your colleagues get taken out of the fight leaving you 1v2 against violent attackers. I am genuinely amazed at the restrain the firearms officer showed in NOT drawing his firearm to be completely honest, I know in that situation, as a trained firearms user with 20+ years of military experience, I'd have drawn mine and then seen where it goes from there, but the Police are obviously better trained than I was at reacting to criminal activity vs my military training.

I’ve had enough of posting on this thread, but I’ve returned to thank you for this post.
I suspect very few on here have experienced extreme physical violence and have no idea at all what they are talking about.
Thank you for your service too.
Respect.

 

[lemonkettaz]

Was it clearly over ? Would you be able to make that decision after been punched in the head 11 times, lost your glasses, your colleague walking around with a broken nose, and no eyes on your 3rd partner, everyone in the area shouting and screaming ??

I very much doubt it, your body is pumping with adrenaline, there is zero amount of training that can even come close that that level of intensity.
The threat in situations like this is only over when there in the back of a van locked up, you have no idea if they have mates in the area or others might join in.

I'd like to see how many of you would react in a situation like this, even those with a high level of discipline training would struggle to keep control.

Everyone on the internet would follow procedure by the book in a safe controlled manner.

 

[darkgen]

Surely this is a joke? still in full defence mode, likely adrenaline high ...chap who got a kick is lucky he wasnt unalived!

You have to presume these guys endure pretty frequent training / exercises to recertify for firearm carry which in turn include running through various stressful and high-adrenaline situations. If the guy was squirming about on the deck then a pop to side of the head or a kneel on the back may be appropriate. Downwards stomp on the back of the head flush to the ground? Nah.

I'm not begrudging a guy to get some extra hits in when you and pals have had a pommelling but surely you expect a higher degree of control and restraint if they're coppers.

 

[Ayahuasca]

I think very few officers would have been involved in an attack in that environment to that extent.

It's easy for us to say he should have done everything by the book, but the real world doesn't work that way. Once the adrenaline starts flowing and you get the feeling that you could be in big trouble.

Even Tier 1 Special Forces like the SAS make mistakes now and then, and they're way beyond the training of a firearms officer.

They're not Robocop.

 

[Alice In Wonderland]

tbh thats something the new government should look at seriously.
Its probably down to local councils but you should never be more than 5-10 mins walk from a crapper.

They definitely need to do this!

I have interstitial cystitis and severe IBS so whenever I go out, I have to plan everything by where toilets are!

York seems to be pretty good although if I suddenly had an attack of diarrhea, I'd be ****** basically.

Although my favourite toilets at m&s are currently closed for 3 months so I can only go into town now when city screen toilets are open or the theatre toilets!

Seeing as the perimenopause has me waking up anytime between 5 and 6.30am, I miss being able to go to m&s for an early shop before the crowds get there.

 

[Alice In Wonderland]

I watched the extended videos....

Those guys were utter thugs!!! The police were violently attacked.

But, i dont think the police man should have kicked that guy in the head or stamped on his head. No need for that.

I guess the police man was really peed off and i can see why!!

Those thugs should be sent down at the very least for attacking the police like they did.

100%.

 

[arknor]

Was it clearly over ? Would you be able to make that decision after been punched in the head 11 times, lost your glasses, your colleague walking around with a broken nose, and no eyes on your 3rd partner, everyone in the area shouting and screaming ??

so why does he kick stamp and then stop without looking around after... cos he clearly knows it's over when he does the actions.

at that point its a personal attack in anger "HOW DARE YOU HAVE THE AUDACITY TO NOT DO AS I SAY"

 

[Curlyriff]

Do all the people in this thread that were calling for the officer to be sacked still stand by that statement?

Yes, he is trained and expected to be of higher standards. Yes he was in fight, got.knocked down had to get up. Doesn't change his response proportionally once the suspect was subdued prior to him smashing into his head.

The one bloke in blue particularly is awful person, other one not great although complied once taser was shown etc so stopped. The cop however lost that restraint and even after the second bloke was copying carried on in a rage with weapons and lost control to start battering him in head to subdue him further.

Still assault at that point.

 

[potatolord]

Having watched the follow-up video I can understand why the cop reacted like that. I'd do the same in that situation- you can't give them time.

But l the police aren't held to the same standard, and he should be investigated fully.

I think he should be kicked out, if he doesn't resign first.