This is why people are losing respect for the police...

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Regardless of the identity of the person who carried out the attack, they should have the full force of the law in this country set about them. This could be a personal friend or family member and I would fully disown them for this type of crime.

However, the following actions of the local population I think just highlights growing and apparent issues that are deeply set now within society. I believe a lot of it comes from mistrust and a general "what is the truth" paranoia that is very present now. This comes from misinformation everywhere, all over online and its almost unstoppable. It comes from years of degraded hope due to the way the country has been run, this unfortunately doesn't lean in well with immigration, because it is just another area that the country/govt/conservatives (and now labour) just seem to have no clear management of. I am not stating immigration is the reason for this attack... it's just another issue thats relevant that adds into the mix of lack of management from govt etc which enables it to be a weaponised tool for those on left and right.

All the people that started rioting last night is almost another sympton of issues within society now, individually there may be people filled with anti-immigrant hate. But I think the broader picture needs addressing and the broader picture looks like no control/no hope/lack of positivity which many many people feel.

Where do we even start to fix the problems, I have no idea.
 
lemonkettaz said:
Regardless of the identity of the person who carried out the attack, they should have the full force of the law in this country set about them. This could be a personal friend or family member and I would fully disown them for this type of crime.

However, the following actions of the local population I think just highlights growing and apparent issues that are deeply set now within society. I believe a lot of it comes from mistrust and a general "what is the truth" paranoia that is very present now. This comes from misinformation everywhere, all over online and its almost unstoppable. It comes from years of degraded hope due to the way the country has been run, this unfortunately doesn't lean in well with immigration, because it is just another area that the country/govt/conservatives (and now labour) just seem to have no clear management of. I am not stating immigration is the reason for this attack... it's just another issue thats relevant that adds into the mix of lack of management from govt etc which enables it to be a weaponised tool for those on left and right.

All the people that started rioting last night is almost another sympton of issues within society now, individually there may be people filled with anti-immigrant hate. But I think the broader picture needs addressing and the broader picture looks like no control/no hope/lack of positivity which many many people feel.

Where do we even start to fix the problems, I have no idea.
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I disagree. I believe it was EDL thugs using any excuse to come out for a brawl. These aren't regular people, they're violent scumbags
 
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ANDREW GREEN said:
I disagree. I believe it was EDL thugs using any excuse to come out for a brawl. These aren't regular people, they're violent scumbags
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I am sure there were people present for the wrong reasons.

Pulling back a bit, there have been plenty protests, sometimes violent, in recent years..... say both ends of the spectrum, this is why there is deeper set issues.

But this one specific instance, yeh there are probably the "EDL" flavour.
 
Trifid said:


And meanwhile in Southend. Very clear the ex conservative MP of the area had no plan.
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The one who did that post was parachuted into Southend West after the stabbing the other year.
The other MP (East, who also lost his seat) was always useless too, it was just a safe seat as it was only created in '97
Only time he ever set foot in our bit of town was when he paid a visit to a care home and he wouldnt speak to anyone who still had their faculties (so they couldnt have a go at him)

Its not the worst place to live to compared to other parts of the country by any stretch but there is a lot of poverty about (and homelessness) the sea front is the curtain they pull to hide it
You don't want this stuff to happen but it at least was in the part they actually tend to police pretty rigorously, you'd be worried if it happenned further out because there is a lot of older folk in the surrounding area
Its a testement to just how bad they both were as MPs that one of their stronghold towns finally turned up to get rid

And yea..the town center has marshals/security and the MP would have known that
 
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Uk seems to have gone chicken soup recently. Can someone tell me when it’s safe to come back out? just have a sneaky feeling it will coincide with some cooler weather.
 
Caracus2k said:
You need to get out of your hard left bubble and have a lie down.

The last lot of Tories were useless at actually implementing anything vaguely right wing. They were mostly attacked for some of their 'right wing' talking points that rarely made it into actually policy in action...

For example, I think people forget how close 'New Labour', 1997 - 2010 were to recent Tory policy and rhetoric but lets remind ourselves...

"Long List of Anti Immigration Measures"

But yet we are supposed to believe the Tories are 'hard/ far right'!
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If memory serves a well known "human rights" barrister managed to get some of those successful measures that allowed the New Labour Government to deport 10,000's a year struck down. I wonder what he's doing today? Wouldn't it be tragic/ironic/infuriating if he was now responsible for managing immigration. I'm sure we could rely on him to deal with the problem.
 
JonRGV250 said:
Yesterday I was talking to a very nice young lady who mentioned she had a degree in politics, this was whilst she was scanning my groceries in Aldi.
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She would probably be able to understand my posts, the ones that go above your head because they are too complicated. Maybe offer to pay her to teach you?

In the same way women pay for my company, you could pay for hers and get something out of it
 
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Quartz said:
And what has her being a former Conservative MP got to do with it? Not her responsibility. Not her job.
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She politicised it by making it look like labour have no plan and the police and crime commissioner is conservative and has done nothing to improve the situation. But don't worry, we had a statue made of knives standing in the high street for a few weeks which helped make the streets safe
 
It's a death spiral, nobody wants higher taxes to fund a larger police force and nobody wants to risk their lives joining the police. If we do take more dangerous people off the streets, it seems we have limited space to house them and a toxic environment that doesn't reform them anyway.

We need an end to all the spin and media management and start to have some adult conversations about the road back to sanity. The problem is that it is impossible to get people's attention now. It's not like when we had 3 TV channels. How do you actually reach the public for long form conversation when everyone is just completely atomised doing their own thing.

Sadly I think we are going to be heading for the China model with a surveillance state.
 
steve_c said:
You're not shocked there was a machete battle in the street in broad daylight?

How far we planning to move the goalposts?
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Kids these days can’t fight. They carry knives instead and swing wildly at each other whilst leaning back. It’s pathetic, but not shocking, it’s been like this for 10 years in poor areas. What’s new is that they are free to do this kind of thing amongst civilians rather than just in their poverty war zones.
 
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You're not shocked there was a machete battle in the street in broad daylight?

How far we planning to move the goalposts?
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To be fair to him, I’ve seen numerous videos over the last few years of people swinging swords, machetes or big knives at each other in the streets in broad daylight. It’s becoming all too common unfortunately.
 
hurfdurf said:
Kids these days can’t fight. They carry knives instead and swing wildly at each other whilst leaning back. It’s pathetic, but not shocking, it’s been like this for 10 years in poor areas. What’s new is that they are free to do this kind of thing amongst civilians rather than just in their poverty war zones.
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It's always disappointing to see they don't even go for the hand.

No style at all.
 
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