This is why people are losing respect for the police...

[Quartz]

She politicised it by making it look like labour have no plan and the police and crime commissioner is conservative and has done nothing to improve the situation.

Sorry but I think you're over-thinking things here: any private citizen could ask the same question.

 

[MookJong]

I disagree. I believe it was EDL thugs using any excuse to come out for a brawl. These aren't regular people, they're violent scumbags

Even if that is true there are hundreds of thousands, possibly a few millions who are hugely sympathetic and whipped up into frenzy online by social media.

If you don't believe this, you obviously haven't been looking. The numbers of interactions and likes that some accounts are pulling is staggering. Reform are in for big numbers come the next election if the current government doesn't start addressing a plausible counter narrative.

I just don't know how you tackle it though, as people just seem completely irrational and mistrust in mainstream sources is at an all time low.

 

[Ayahuasca]

Even if that is true there are hundreds of thousands, possibly a few millions who are hugely sympathetic and whipped up into frenzy online by social media.

If you don't believe this, you obviously haven't been looking. The numbers of interactions and likes that some accounts are pulling is staggering. Reform are in for big numbers come the next election if the current government doesn't start addressing a plausible counter narrative.

Yep, this is worth a read:

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[potatolord]

Go for the hand?

Yeah, any weapon over about 8 inches means you can go for the hand.

It's a distance thing.

 

[MookJong]

Yep, this is worth a read:

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Read it this morning on my commute. Someone in government needs to start breaking examples like this down in clear statements to the public. This stuff is influencing large sections of society and needs tackling. There needs to be far more stigma associated with falling for fake news in our society.

 

[VincentHanna]

I disagree. I believe it was EDL thugs using any excuse to come out for a brawl. These aren't regular people, they're violent scumbags

Yep, they weren't from Southport.

Our colleagues on Radio 5 Live earlier spoke to the Merseyside Police and Crime Commissioner, Emily Spurrell.

She says the rioters were from "out of town" - something local MP Patrick Hurley also said earlier.

"These individuals came into Southport, did not reflect the local population, and used the incident to incite violence and hatred, and it’s absolutely not something the people of Southport want or the families want," she says.

She adds: "My understanding from local people on the ground is that these were not local residents, these were individuals that came from out of town who had been stirred up online by the likes of the EDL [English Defence League], just looking for a fight."

The people who rioted in Southport last night were "were thugs who’d got the train in", not residents, local MP Patrick Hurley says.

Speaking to BBC Radio 4’s Today programme this morning, Hurley says they were "utterly disrespecting the families of the dead and injured children, and utterly disrespecting the town".

For those people to attack the first responders who had been on the scene on Monday with bricks, Hurley says, "there is no way to describe this - other than to say it is utterly reprehensible".

"The people of Southport will stand against that," he says.

More importantly:

The mother of one of the girls killed in Monday's attack condemned the violence in Southport last night, the Liverpool Echo reports.

"This is the only thing that I will write, but please stop the violence in Southport tonight," Jenni Stancombe, mother of Elsie, reportedly wrote on social media last night.

"The police have been nothing but heroic these last 24 hours and they and we don't need this."

 

[sigma]

Yep, they weren't from Southport.





More importantly:

Do you believe the MSM or randoms on twitter though?

 

[MookJong]

I agree many were from out of town, I was monitoring chats in the afternoon on Twitter with people saying they were travelling and "see you at 5pm".

However, watch all the videos and many local accents can be heard, so if people had all travelled many had not travelled far.

 

[bainbridge]

I reckon that the respect people have for each other and the actions of the police go hand in hand.

As society becomes less caring and more brutal, the police officers, who were brought up in this society, in turn become less caring and more brutal.

 

[200sols]

I reckon that the respect people have for each other and the actions of the police go hand in hand.

As society becomes less caring and more brutal, the police officers, who were brought up in this society, in turn become less caring and more brutal.

How are the police less caring and more brutal now?

 

[VincentHanna]

Do you believe the MSM or randoms on twitter though?

Good point, I should listen to more Russian disinformation accounts for a full and balanced view

 

[Mercenary Keyboard Warrior]

Read it this morning on my commute. Someone in government needs to start breaking examples like this down in clear statements to the public. This stuff is influencing large sections of society and needs tackling. There needs to be far more stigma associated with falling for fake news in our society.

Going to be incredibly challenging.
We saw it on here in the now locked thread, some nonsense Twitx post posted up, when it was proven to be wrong, after some of the normal GDers had been trying to defend it with comments like "we have had enough" they shrug their shoulders and not long after one of the original posters sticks up the next Twitx thing with unverified information in it. And no surprise they start defending it again.

With these sorts they can post far faster than their brain can process information.

 

[MookJong]

I reckon that the respect people have for each other and the actions of the police go hand in hand.

As society becomes less caring and more brutal, the police officers, who were brought up in this society, in turn become less caring and more brutal.

I'd love to sit you down with a few officers who served in the 70s and 80s, I think you might be fairly surprised what was got away with compared to today. I'd say the police have never been more caring and basically do more social work than ever.

 

[MookJong]

Going to be incredibly challenging.
We saw it on here in the now locked thread, some nonsense Twitx post posted up, when it was proven to be wrong, after some of the normal GDers had been trying to defend it with comments like "we have had enough" they shrug their shoulders and not long after one of the original posters sticks up the next Twitx thing with unverified information in it. And no surprise they start defending it again.

With these sorts they can post far faster than their brain can process information.

Hopefully AI can help identify and flag this stuff in the future. But AI will also be able to generate fake news faster than the agitators who are doing it manually now.

Is it too late to shut down the internet?

 

[Mercenary Keyboard Warrior]

I'd love to sit you down with a few officers who served in the 70s and 80s, I think you might be fairly surprised what was got away with compared to today. I'd say the police have never been more caring and basically do more social work than ever.

Yep. Take a look at the policing at the miners strikes.
On at least one of them they engaged with a mounted horse charge, and it wasn't even a reaction it was planned.

 

[j4ska]

I reckon that the respect people have for each other and the actions of the police go hand in hand.

As society becomes less caring and more brutal, the police officers, who were brought up in this society, in turn become less caring and more brutal.

How is police more brutal now?
They are softest they've ever been.

 

[Trifid]

Sorry but I think you're over-thinking things here: any private citizen could ask the same question.

Not at all. This wasn't the first time there has been a knife fight/gang war in Southend. It's happened on her watch and no progress has been made to make the streets of the UK or Southend safer.

 

[bainbridge]

How is police more brutal now?
They are softest they've ever been.

Well I saw a video of an officer kicking someone in the face the other day, for example.

 

[VincentHanna]

Well I saw a video of an officer kicking someone in the face the other day, for example.

Individuals might lose control occasionally.

But on the whole, police brutality and cover-ups are way less than the 70's and 80's.

The trouble is now, they do stupid things like get bored and send pictures of victims on Whatsapp groups.

 

[Hedge]

Well I saw a video of an officer kicking someone in the face the other day, for example.

Rare occurrence and there's no way in hell police are anywhere near as forceful as they once were. The existence of body cams and mobile phones alone means they are under too much scrutiny to risk being heavy handed a lot.