This is why people are losing respect for the police...

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Ayahuasca said:
Yep, this is worth a read:

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Thanks for sharing, unfortunately it will fall on dumb/deaf ears.
 
bainbridge said:
Well I saw a video of an officer kicking someone in the face the other day, for example.
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I thought the consensus once the full context became known was that his action was justified?
The police are human beings, and like all of us, and can be driven by emotions. Despite their training they may make an occasional mistake. IMO this should be acceptable.
It's about time in this technological age that all the police are rigged with cameras to ensure no extreme wrong doing and then remove some of the red tape. Let them get on with their jobs. Remind and warn the public if they commit crimes then they may be severly injured (the risk is taken by them) and let the police get on with it.

40 officers injured at this 'protest' is disgusting. The police should have put a stop to it one way or another much sooner.
The country needs a multi-pronged approach. Law changes and a much tougher no-nonsense method of policing IMO.
 
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MookJong said:
Hopefully AI can help identify and flag this stuff in the future. But AI will also be able to generate fake news faster than the agitators who are doing it manually now.

Is it too late to shut down the internet?
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Twitter has become the wild west after Elon took over. He's a free speech absolutist of course (i.e stuff any consequences of anything you say), and with the joys of the internet one man's ideology / views on what is and isn't acceptable travels across borders. In this country we have freedom of speech but we don't have freedom from consequence. Once again we find ourselves in the situation that if the social media companies refuse to obide by local laws, then IMO actions should be taken (as they have been before). How as a society we haven't learned from Trump / Capitol riots, Cambridge Analytica etc I have no idea. It's not about silencing one side of the political spectrum (although many will say it is) but you can't keep having people posting complete rubbish on social media - it ruins lives, it starts riots, it damages democracy and it demeans and reduces a society to the whims of a few. And very lastly, bots - it's as clear as day X is now completely infested with it, as is Tik Tok. We saw it during Brexit, the US elections, the last UK election. Whether it's US backed, Russian or Iranian, who cares.. it needs to stop.

The internet has bought us a lot of good, but these days it's seemingly providing nothing but stupidness.
 
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MookJong said:
Even if that is true there are hundreds of thousands, possibly a few millions who are hugely sympathetic and whipped up into frenzy online by social media.

If you don't believe this, you obviously haven't been looking. The numbers of interactions and likes that some accounts are pulling is staggering. Reform are in for big numbers come the next election if the current government doesn't start addressing a plausible counter narrative.

I just don't know how you tackle it though, as people just seem completely irrational and mistrust in mainstream sources is at an all time low.
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There's an interesting article here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c6p20dl71jpo

"But they also say counter-terrorism forces are now battling a wide diversity of threats - including from a worrying number of people who don't support an underlying ideology, but are simply drawn to violence.

Young people being attracted to online extremism through conspiracy theories, the actions of “hostile states” such as Russia, and the “toxicity of our political environment” are also of concern, they warn."
 
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DarrenM343 said:
I thought the consensus once the full context became known was that his action was justified?
The police are human beings, and like all of us, and can be driven by emotions. Despite their training they may make an occasional mistake. IMO this should be acceptable.
It's about time in this technological age that all the police are rigged with cameras to ensure no extreme wrong doing and then remove some of the red tape. Let them get on with their jobs. Remind and warn the public if they commit crimes then they may be severly injured (the risk is taken by them) and let the police get on with it.

40 officers injured at this 'protest' is disgusting. The police should have put a stop to it one way or another much sooner.
The country needs a multi-pronged approach. Law changes and a much tougher no-nonsense method of policing IMO.
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What you suggest is possible, but it would require sacking 90% of police leadership, and 40% of officers.
 
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GarethSouthgate said:
There's an interesting article here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c6p20dl71jpo

"But they also say counter-terrorism forces are now battling a wide diversity of threats - including from a worrying number of people who don't support an underlying ideology, but are simply drawn to violence.

Young people being attracted to online extremism through conspiracy theories, the actions of “hostile states” such as Russia, and the “toxicity of our political environment” are also of concern, they warn."
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This summarises exactly what I'm seeing online, a thirst for simple yet extreme views that in many cases are illogical and contradict themselves. But this doesn't seem to matter, I think many have become lost and addicted to this kind of content.

Maybe people are just overwhelmed and confused by the sheer volume of information we are now exposed to and the conspiracy theories offer answers in the random chaos of it all. If you think about how much new information you read each week compared to say someone living it a village in the 1800's it must be staggering.
 
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lemonkettaz said:
I am sure there were people present for the wrong reasons.

Pulling back a bit, there have been plenty protests, sometimes violent, in recent years..... say both ends of the spectrum, this is why there is deeper set issues.

But this one specific instance, yeh there are probably the "EDL" flavour.
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It was organised by the EDL, But then also some local scumbags got involved. Mob mentality... Many of them are being identified by the law abiding sections of the community. Southport has been all doom and gloom over the last few years, Hopefully this will help bring our community together and we can champion what a fantastic town we really have...

As a member of the pubwatch group our first task is to identify anyone involved with the riots and Ban them from our establishments.
 
BowdonUK said:
I'm not sure of if this is true or not. But with the media trying to manipulate the story, is it true a person, possibly of a Muslim background, turned up at the vigil in Southport with a machete?

I've seen an image of the guy being arrested by the police. But this incident seems to be getting very little coverage.

So what is the deal with that guy?


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Apparently it was a stanley knife. Unconfirmed yet.
Certain people want to push a terrorism agenda, When its looking like a young autistic 17 yr old.
 
Many local people and business have rallied round today and have 99% of it all cleared up now. Local trades have offered their services for free to rebuild walls and fences etc.. Lets hope the community as a whole can help rebuild southport and bring together its Muslim community who have done no wrong.
 
Have they been arrested? Charged? Deported back? Send them back on the boat? Nothing?
What happened to respect our police and the law?

Riots in Leeds - they don’t respect our laws, police, British values send them all back etc etc

Manchester Airpirt - same as above.

Hypocrisy at its finest.
 
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This story still isn't making much sense and seems to be rife with misinformation. Whilst the actions of the rioters are disgraceful the lack of information seems to be driving unrest.
 
Zatoichi.uK said:
This story still isn't making much sense and seems to be rife with misinformation. Whilst the actions of the rioters are disgraceful the lack of information seems to be driving unrest.
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What do you mean lack of information? Police dont usually publish a suspects life history just to stop morons going rioting do they? Fact is suspect is 17 and our laws prevent certain information being released, its really not hard to understand.
 
mattyg said:
Apparently it was a stanley knife. Unconfirmed yet.
Certain people want to push a terrorism agenda, When its looking like a young autistic 17 yr old.
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No, it isn't unconfirmed yet, it's a flick knife according to the police and that guy is 32 not 17, it was a 17-year-old who was responsible for the original incidents that sparked the protesting and rioting, not that knife incident the poster is referring to and you're quoting.

We have arrested a man and seized a flick knife following an incident in Southport this evening (Tuesday 30 July).

A report was received at 6.50pm that a man had been seen with a knife on Eastbank Street.

Officers attended and a man was detained at around 6.55pm, and a flick knife recovered.

There are no reports anyone was injured during the incident.

A 32-year-old man from Standish was arrested on suspicion of possession of a bladed article, and taken into custody.
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