This is why people are losing respect for the police...

Chris Wilson · 8 Apr 2023 at 12:45

StriderX said:
If someone was wearing it in a school, orphanage or children's hospital then I probably would find it offensive.

But not on display in a cabinet in a pub? You being the forum go to for what's offensive and all that, like cheesefest is for what's on the moan agenda for today

Dis86 · 8 Apr 2023 at 12:51

StriderX said:
Something has to have made them give up on burglaries as I highly doubt they decided to collectively ignore it at the same time. If I had to guess it's probably a huge drain on resources for minimal results when realistically they already know who the criminals are, maybe the sentencing guidelines are too soft?

5 officers to confiscate some dolls. 5.

Chris Wilson · 8 Apr 2023 at 13:12

Dis86 said:
5 officers to confiscate some dolls. 5.

Can't be too careful. They probably thought the landlord might be there, he looks as if he could be a bit of a handful <LOL> Probably a dog van and armed response unit around the corner.

Richie · 8 Apr 2023 at 14:44

StriderX said:
If someone was wearing it in a school, orphanage or children's hospital then I probably would find it offensive.

You realise that those hats have nothing to do with Jimmy Saville, right? :confused:

(I assume that's where you were going with it)

Tony Edwards · 8 Apr 2023 at 15:06

Chris Wilson said:
But not on display in a cabinet in a pub? You being the forum go to for what's offensive and all that, like cheesefest is for what's on the moan agenda for today

No Chris you are the go to for whats offensive and all that. If its offensive you can bet you support it.

hurfdurf · 8 Apr 2023 at 16:48

Dis86 said:
How do they know there's nothing to investigate if they don't turn up?

By asking the home owner who has called it in?

“do you have any cctv or anything that will lead us to catching the criminals?”

If it’s no, why on earth do the police need to go? To confirm to the home owner that yes they have indeed been burgled?

I get if it’s a vulnerable person who needs to be made safe and social service referrals made, but the the majority of the public?

Dis86 · 8 Apr 2023 at 16:51

hurfdurf said:
By asking the home owner who has called it in?

“do you have any cctv or anything that will lead us to catching the criminals?”

If it’s no, why on earth do the police need to go? To confirm to the home owner that yes they have indeed been burgled?

I get if it’s a vulnerable person who needs to be made safe and social service referrals made, but the the majority of the public?

Are home owners experts on what constitutes evidence collection?

hurfdurf · 8 Apr 2023 at 19:46

Dis86 said:
Are home owners experts on what constitutes evidence collection?

Do you need to be an expert? It’s fairly simple.

Dis86 · 8 Apr 2023 at 20:10

hurfdurf said:
Do you need to be an expert? It’s fairly simple.

Not for someone with no knowledge of what to look for or the process of evidence handling and preservation.

hurfdurf · 8 Apr 2023 at 21:08

Dis86 said:
Not for someone with no knowledge of what to look for or the process of evidence handling and preservation.

They aren’t sending out CSI to a simple home burglary. This isn’t a TV show based in 2004. Grow up.

Dis86 · 8 Apr 2023 at 21:10

hurfdurf said:
They aren’t sending out CSI to a simple home burglary. This isn’t a TV show based in 2004. Grow up.

Yet if evidence has been left it will need to be handled correctly to be admissible to court.
Weak as always hurf.

hurfdurf · 8 Apr 2023 at 21:27

Dis86 said:
Yet if evidence has been left it will need to be handled correctly to be admissible to court.
Weak as always hurf.

You are talking about CSI evidence, which as we discussed, wouldn’t be coming out. You think the only evidence that exists would be forensic?

Go for a ride along with some response police officers, there’s far far more to policing than a PC coming to have a look at a crime and then picking items up to go to labs to be forensically examined.

Dis86 · 8 Apr 2023 at 21:44

hurfdurf said:
You are talking about CSI evidence, which as we discussed, wouldn’t be coming out. You think the only evidence that exists would be forensic?

Go for a ride along with some response police officers, there’s far far more to policing than a PC coming to have a look at a crime and then picking items up to go to labs to be forensically examined.

Doesn't have to be forensic evidence for there to be a requirement to handle it correctly however finger prints are one of the easiest to ruin.

gingergundog · 8 Apr 2023 at 21:49

hurfdurf said:
You are talking about CSI evidence, which as we discussed, wouldn’t be coming out. You think the only evidence that exists would be forensic?

Go for a ride along with some response police officers, there’s far far more to policing than a PC coming to have a look at a crime and then picking items up to go to labs to be forensically examined.

If you were to go on a ride along, which you haven't

hurfdurf · 8 Apr 2023 at 21:52

Dis86 said:
Doesn't have to be forensic evidence for there to be a requirement to handle it correctly however finger prints are one of the easiest to ruin.

Which would amount to what in a simple low value home burglary you are so keen to send officers to?

Dis86 · 8 Apr 2023 at 21:57

hurfdurf said:
Which would amount to what in a simple low value home burglary you are so keen to send officers to?

It could be many things. Discarded clothing. Tools. Witness statements from neighbours/passers by. Footprints. Glove prints/impressions. Bodily fluids. Third party CCTV footage. Heck, they could even still be on the property/in the property without the owner being aware.

Is 90 year old Mavis going to think/be able to check for these things?

Also worth noting that a domestic burglary is an SAC with the S standing for serious. It should be taken as so.

Taking some golliwog dolls is not. It's a waste of thinly stretched resource but it's also an easy job for some lazy police officers.

NVP · 8 Apr 2023 at 22:13

Do we think the poor performance of certain forces is down to poor management for the individual area/force?

Every force can't be understaffed or resource-strained, especially considering they always have multiple vehicles and officers attending my many incidents/offences.

The last time they had 3 cars and approx 6 to 8 officers in attendance. The time before that, two cars and 4 officers plus another car arrived as they were stuffing me in, so at least 1 more officer.

Dis86 · 8 Apr 2023 at 22:17

NVP said:
Do we think the poor performance of certain forces is down to poor management for the individual area/force?

Every force can't be understaffed or resource-strained, especially considering they always have multiple vehicles and officers attending my many incidents/offences.

The last time they had 3 cars and approx 6 to 8 officers in attendance. The time before that, two cars and 4 officers plus another car arrived as they were stuffing me in, so at least 1 more officer.

Stop being a dong and wasting police resource! :cry:

There certainly does seem to be differing levels of performance depending on forces and even individual departments.

NVP · 8 Apr 2023 at 22:23

Haha no comment.

I understand individual population and area size would impact, however isn't that taken into account when resources are given?

Dis86 · 8 Apr 2023 at 22:29

NVP said:
Haha no comment.

I understand individual population and area size would impact, however isn't that taken into account when resources are given?

Possibly, but take Northumbria for example. Huge area, low population. Basically worst case to try and police.