Caporegime
The government do not listen to petitions.
This is why people are losing respect for the police...
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The government do not listen to petitions.
Caporegime
With those 2 Welsh lads who died, Police "There was no chase", CCTV seems to show a chase.
Police in being liars shocker.
Police in being liars shocker.
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What do we think happened here? Car chase led to teens deaths and locals blamed the police?
Cardiff riot: Two teenagers killed in crash before Ely disorder
The link between the deaths and the disorder in Cardiff remains unclear, a police boss says.www.bbc.co.uk
Well well well....
Cardiff riots: Police refer themselves to watchdog after crash deaths
Two people died in the crash involving an electric bike, sparking a riot on Monday evening.
www.bbc.co.uk
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Why would they lie about it though ? Police chases are part of the job surely ? Not their fault if some scallies get hit by a bus whilst they are being chased.
Soldato
They may have followed without giving chase. Two seperate things.
Caporegime
Well well well....
Cardiff riots: Police refer themselves to watchdog after crash deaths
Two people died in the crash involving an electric bike, sparking a riot on Monday evening.www.bbc.co.uk
Following and giving chase are two separate things.
Commissario
having just seen the video it certainly didn't look like a "chase" given the apparent speeds involved, it looked like they were doing fairly standard speeds.
A quick and dirty calculation suggests around 20-30mph given we can work out roughly the distance travelled in the video (12-15m going by the car parked up) and the time taken for the van to pass.
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Soldato
When did it become acceptable to riot and cause mayhem because 2 people on one scooter couldn't control it?
If they have done nothing wrong why not stop and ask the police why are they following them?
On the face of it, it looks like a couple of joyriders who have unfortunately crashed.
If they have done nothing wrong why not stop and ask the police why are they following them?
On the face of it, it looks like a couple of joyriders who have unfortunately crashed.
Caporegime
Well of course they don't. Its like the people that marched after Brexit. You could have millions of people there marching against it and that would still not even be close to all the people that voted against it.
A few small groups causing chaos aren't going to dictate government policy and nor should they. If millions were marching every week the government would take notice of their plight but they aren't. Currently they are achieving nothing and causing loads of problems for people who have not done anything wrong.
Its always been like this in certain places. They have a massive chip on their shoulder and direct it all at "the man". When wee Jimmy who wouldn't hurt a fly is somehow caught up in gang violence or crashes his car killing him and his mates he was an angel and just an upstanding member of society. Most of the time its scumbags looking for an excuse to cause trouble and this is as good an excuse as any. Bonus points when the "victims" have been terrorising the local area for years.
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Soldato
The minute a MoP does something about him the police will be all over...the MoP.
had to laugh at the BBC setting itself up as some kind of video truth adjudicator - they'll be verifying ukrainian and russian video footage soon,
if anything they are pouring petrol on the fire -
they have many sins to atone for saville, bashir .... brexit ?
Soldato
Following ≠ 'chasing'.
Soldato
I was looking in to the reports of this situation closer.
It seems the police are denying they were there until someone reported the crash and then they turned up to investigate. Based off the current information it looks like, for whatever reason the police are lying. In a follow-up statement they are still saying that the first they knew of the crash was when they turned up after it had happened.
They can quite clearly be seen on the camera following/chasing (either) the scooter.
Still even though that seems to be the situation so far it's no excuse to be trashing a street where people live.
It seems the police are denying they were there until someone reported the crash and then they turned up to investigate. Based off the current information it looks like, for whatever reason the police are lying. In a follow-up statement they are still saying that the first they knew of the crash was when they turned up after it had happened.
They can quite clearly be seen on the camera following/chasing (either) the scooter.
Still even though that seems to be the situation so far it's no excuse to be trashing a street where people live.
Doesn't really matter in a world of immediate consequence, the damage is done and this cements the damage because the kids have their microcosm for which this mild omission is very easily spun into a conspiracy. Not a great path we're following. An arms race of misinformation and violent retribution is something we really ought to avoid.
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They were not “chasing” nor were they on the road that the kids killed themselves on in spectacular fashion.
The police have said pay close attention to their wording.
They may have been following before hand, but they didn’t turn down the road the kids did, or hadn’t done before they died.
Purely speculation, but I think the kids were trying to goad the police into a chase, the chase was not authorised (which iirc they need to be for it to be deemed and allowed to chase), they’ve ridden past the ring doorbell in front of the cop van, turned off hoping they’ll be chased, and then killed themselves driving like idiots. That’s my current theory.
The police have said pay close attention to their wording.
They may have been following before hand, but they didn’t turn down the road the kids did, or hadn’t done before they died.
Purely speculation, but I think the kids were trying to goad the police into a chase, the chase was not authorised (which iirc they need to be for it to be deemed and allowed to chase), they’ve ridden past the ring doorbell in front of the cop van, turned off hoping they’ll be chased, and then killed themselves driving like idiots. That’s my current theory.
police were probably aware of the riot risk immediately from social media traffic they reviewed , so, may have decided to prudently deny any involvement as they didn't have the manpower on hand last might,
they couldn't win.
Todays, abdication, that their vehicle wasn't on the same street when accident occurred sounded ridiculous though - resignation incoming I'd have thought.
they couldn't win.
Todays, abdication, that their vehicle wasn't on the same street when accident occurred sounded ridiculous though - resignation incoming I'd have thought.
Caporegime
The police van, which was captured on CCTV, was not on the same street as the collision occurred.
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Soldato
The ex-cop turned 'Officer Naughty' who bungled a Wayne Couzens probe
Quite apart from an eyebrow raising catalogue of videos and photographs - many of which feature police paraphernalia - Lee makes no secret of the fact that policing was her actual career.
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