This is why people are losing respect for the police...
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Soldato
Very unlikely to be authorised to doing anything but to follow within speed limits in a van, but it’s the driver that is certified for pursuits, hard stops and not the vehicle.
Soldato
If the police cannot follow, you end up with no go areas where the residents are unpoliced and crime allowed a free hand, more than it is today.
so they were following surreptitiously on the basis the youths weren't looking over their shoulders.
I'd thought they were on an electric motorbike, and wondering how they afforded it , but both were on the same e-bike or scooter - what was the transport ? -
this wasn't like emily hartridge accident
(A local idiot does well over 30mph on his de-limited e-bike, but doubt it would do that 2-up ?)
If they crashed trying to evade the police then it's their own fault, whether they were being chased or being followed, I don't really care tbh, It's not difficult to keep up with ebikes.
Are the police meant to do nothing if teenagers break the law? What's the message here? Don't follow them in case they hurt themselves? ffs
Are the police meant to do nothing if teenagers break the law? What's the message here? Don't follow them in case they hurt themselves? ffs
Soldato
Kids on those things are the same everywhere it seems, its only a matter of time till they kill someone the way the local chavs ride around on them.
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The message here is that none of that even matters (facts are irrelevant, truth is relative) and all it takes is a few incendiary messages going viral in a community for it to implode in chaos.
Soldato
Welsh lives matter
Man of Honour
That's not what they said. Their statements and the CCTV don't contradict each other.
Initially:
And in the updated statement:
It's perfectly reasonable that the police van spotted teenagers on illegal motor vehicles and followed them long enough to give the control room descriptions and direction of travel etc and then either stopped or the bikes lost police by going down footpaths. There were also 4 minutes between the CCTV and the collision, that's plenty of time for the bikes to lose the police and get into an RTC.
It's both the driver and the vehicle. A fully trained advanced driver with tactical phase pursuit training can't box a vehicle in a van unless it's really exceptional circumstances. In my force, the can't even use tactics in most response vehicles, only advanced-level vehicles.
Soldato
Clealry they were both little scrotes who while attempting to get away from the police crashed into a bus killing themselves. There are 2 people to blame for their deaths and they are both dead. No great loss to society and there are plenty more where they came from.
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You clearly have never been to Merthy Tydfil.
Soldato
The people on the ground said the police were chasing/following them and caused the crash.
If the police version is right that no police were on the scene at the time of the crash then why did people riot?
Man of Honour
Because rioting doesn't rely on knowing the truth? I bet all sorts of rumours and misinformation were floating about that evening. The facts don't matter when you've got people riled up and wanting to cause mayhem.
I'm a little surprised I'm having to explain this in a world of so much misinformation.
Caporegime
There are some lovely places near there! Bike park wales for one! But yes. Some absolute **** holes near there. One of the places we stayed had about 15 takeaways, 3 rough pubs and a load of gambling places and not much else. Tells you everything you need to know about it.
Go to one of these estates and talk to the people and you might come away thinking that the whole world was against them and that the police are there all the time for no reason at all. Victims all of them. The police just want to keep them down and wee Jimmy is a grand lad who never caused anyone no bother.
Commissario
I always remember a comment I read about mobs and it was something along the lines of "the intelligence of the mob is somewhere around the that of the dumbest member of it, divided by the number in the mob" mainly in regards to Lynch mobs etc.
There is also a saying that goes something like "a rumour will run around the world before truth has had a chance to get it's trousers on", and as we see on here on a regular basis once some people hear a rumour they'll stick with it long after it's disproven.
It doesn't take much to get people angry and upset to the point of violence if someone has died and they don't think they're getting answers, even if the answers aren't known or someone has already tried to give them the best information they have, especially when the rumour mill has had a chance to get going.
It's also worth noting that the police won't have been able to give much/any information for a while, certainly not the sort that a lot of people want immediately, simply because they won't have had it and don't tend to want to give out the wrong information, or may not want to give it out to the general public until they've for example officially informed the families of the dead.
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Are you under the impression that people cannot be wrong about something?!
Soldato
You have to consider their feelings more caerphilly
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