This is why people are losing respect for the police...

[robgmun]

Still a yes to be honest.

I mean, you could hardly have picked a better analogy for proving it's horribly petty than a pair of wannabe race drivers arguing about whose car is faster.

Are you going to suggest a penis measuring next?

He probably would, i bet he eats a muffin by cutting it up with a knife first

 

[hurfdurf]

He probably would, i bet he eats a muffin by cutting it up with a knife first

100%. Avoids crumbs and allows for an even spread of the inside filling.

Use a knife and fork with pizza as well, cut up into squares.

Cereal I use my hands though, can’t stand spoons.

 

[Tony Edwards]

Things are going to start getting worse soon.

Met police to stop attending emergency mental health calls

Exclusive: move will come into force on 31 August and will only be waived if a threat to life is feared

www.theguardian.com

The Metropolitan police will no longer attend emergency calls related to mental health incidents, the force’s commissioner has said.

In a letter seen by the Guardian, Sir Mark Rowley says he will order his officers not to attend thousands of calls they get every year to deal with mental health incidents.


Rowley has given health and social care services a deadline of 31 August before the force starts its ban, which will only be waived if a threat to life is feared.

The Met chief believes the move is necessary and urgent because officers are being diverted from their core role of fighting crime and patients who need medical experts are being failed when a police officer attends instead.


The plan could cause consternation among ambulance workers, paramedics and NHS staff who are already under pressure as a result of cuts and at a time when mental health services are already stretched.

Rowley’s letter to the Met’s health and social care partners was sent on 24 May, giving them a 99-day deadline to plan for the change.

Police and health chiefs have been talking about relieving the mental health burden on police under a new national scheme called right care, right person (RCRP).

But the letter reveals that Britain’s most senior police officer has lost patience over issue. He writes: “I have asked my team that the Met introduce RCRP this summer and withdraw from health related calls by no later than 31 August.

“I appreciate this may be challenging, but for the reasons I have set out above, the status quo is untenable.”

 

[robgmun]

100%. Avoids crumbs and allows for an even spread of the inside filling.

Use a knife and fork with pizza as well, cut up into squares.

Cereal I use my hands though, can’t stand spoons.

Yeah, that's all i need to know.

 

[hurfdurf]

Things are going to start getting worse soon.

Amazing news imo.

Hopefully lots of people will stop wasting police time with their silly suicide cry for helps.

It’s not difficult to kill yourself, either do it or don’t, and if you are feeling suicidal and want help, and don’t want to do it, that’s a medical issue not a police issue, so call 111, and let’s hope the short term pain will result in a massive social mental health help funding scheme.

 

[Purgatory]

Things are going to start getting worse soon.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1663132949594685442

I just saw this now and what was going on and honestly very upset about this and find it very wrong that is happening.

Amazing news imo.

Hopefully lots of people will stop wasting police time with their silly suicide cry for helps.

It’s not difficult to kill yourself, either do it or don’t, and if you are feeling suicidal and want help, and don’t want to do it, that’s a medical issue not a police issue, so call 111, and let’s hope the short term pain will result in a massive social mental health help funding scheme.

Humm... no empathy huhh ?

Honestly the police are there to "protect and serve/help" the public and I always wanted to grow up as a Police officer as a kid and something I always wanted to do so to help people and this is something I see as an important service to the public from the Police too and a way to help and part of the job description in my book.

So no I don't see it as a waste of time from the Police to help people in need or crying out for help in some form or another.

This is terrible news and shocking really.

 

[Dis86]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1663132949594685442

I just saw this now and what was going on and honestly very upset about this and find it very wrong what.




Humm... no empathy huhh ?

Honestly the police are there to "protect and serve" the public and I always wanted to grow up as a Police officer as a kid and something I always wanted to do so to help people and this is something I see as an important service to the public from the Police too and away to help and part of the job description in my book.

So no I don't see it as a waste of time from the Police to help people in need or crying out for help in some form or another.

This is terrible news and shocking really.

Your understanding of what the British police do is incorrect. It is not their job to 'protect and serve'. I suggest you read the Peelian principles.

 

[Purgatory]

Your understanding of what the British police do is incorrect. It is not their job to 'protect and serve'. I suggest you read the Peelian principles.

Protect and help... But you get the idea... sorry to say that's what we all grow up to believe the Police are there like other emergency services to help the public and why we pay them in our taxes to do that. If not then I want a tax refund as that is why I pay my taxes to them.

 

[Mrwong]

There appear to be cases of forces paying out six figure sums for wrongful arrests (I'm sure the average pleb isn't getting this tbh), I don't think millions for disablement or killing someone is that insane.

Not saying they shouldn't be more forceful, but there are risks to contemplate here.

Police women need to have their head shaved.
Having long hair can increase the defeat.

 

[Mrwong]

Your understanding of what the British police do is incorrect. It is not their job to 'protect and serve'. I suggest you read the Peelian principles.

protection of life and property, the preservation of the Queen's peace, ….

 

[Richie]

Protect and help... But you get the idea... sorry to say that's what we all grow up to believe the Police are there like other emergency services to help the public and why we pay them in our taxes to do that. If not then I want a tax refund as that is why I pay my taxes to them.

You're conflating what the police are there to do which is to lower and combat crime and protect life.

Cops are not mental health specialists and should not be used to deal with mental health issues unless danger to life is there - this is where the protect life comes in.

One of the main reasons the police force is stretched and cops can't attend actual criminal jobs is because the public now use the police as a social work dept.

They are not there to act as mediators in family fall outs (see a family lawyer)
They are not there to be a sounding board because you have fell out with your partner (go to couples counselling)
They are not there to mediate a neighbour fallout (involve other relevant bodies e.g. council)
They are not there because you've missed your last bus and can't get home (call a friend/family)
They are not there because you feel a little low and may self harm (use Samaritans)

If we don't use the police resources appropriately, don't go moaning they aren't available when it IS something they are paid to deal with....

 

[hurfdurf]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1663132949594685442

I just saw this now and what was going on and honestly very upset about this and find it very wrong that is happening.




Humm... no empathy huhh ?

Honestly the police are there to "protect and serve/help" the public and I always wanted to grow up as a Police officer as a kid and something I always wanted to do so to help people and this is something I see as an important service to the public from the Police too and a way to help and part of the job description in my book.

So no I don't see it as a waste of time from the Police to help people in need or crying out for help in some form or another.

This is terrible news and shocking really.

I’ve got a lot of empathy. What I don’t like, which is what the Met are saying, is that police officers are being called to someone who has taken an overdose of 16 paracetamol or is threatening to. It’s not a criminal issue or a threat to life, it’s a medical cry for help and should be treated as such.

The Police are not funded to help people with mental health issues, they are there to deal with immediate threats to life. If someone’s on the edge of a bridge and about to jump, sure, send officers, if someone’s on the phone, for the 30th time this year, with 999 saying “I’ve got 20 ibuprofen and I’m going to take them”…. That’s not a police job. I’d also argue, it’s not an emergency, because instead of taking them, they’ve called 999 to get someone to stop them taking them. There needs to be a mental health response, not a police response.

 

[hurfdurf]

You're conflating what the police are there to do which is to lower and combat crime and protect life.

Cops are not mental health specialists and should not be used to deal with mental health issues unless danger to life is there - this is where the protect life comes in.

One of the main reasons the police force is stretched and cops can't attend actual criminal jobs is because the public now use the police as a social work dept.

They are not there to act as mediators in family fall outs (see a family lawyer)
They are not there to be a sounding board because you have fell out with your partner (go to couples counselling)
They are not there to mediate a neighbour fallout (involve other relevant bodies e.g. council)
They are not there because you've missed your last bus and can't get home (call a friend/family)
They are not there because you feel a little low and may self harm (use Samaritans)

If we don't use the police resources appropriately, don't go moaning they aren't available when it IS something they are paid to deal with....

I’ve mocked you else where, but this is a very good post.

 

[Dis86]

Protect and help... But you get the idea... sorry to say that's what we all grow up to believe the Police are there like other emergency services to help the public and why we pay them in our taxes to do that. If not then I want a tax refund as that is why I pay my taxes to them.

Again no, you're wrong. You aren't entitled to a tax refund because you're ignorant of the purpose of something.

 

[TheVoice]

So no I don't see it as a waste of time from the Police to help people in need or crying out for help in some form or another.

It's not a waste of time as people who are in crisis obviously need help and support, but it is an absolutely massive and unsustainable drain on resources and the police are not best-placed to deal with those issues. Incidentally the headlines are wrong, MPS haven't said they'll stop responding entirely, but they are looking to attend fewer of them in line with other forces such as Humberside who now deal with a third less than they used to:

Right Care Right Person – Humberside Police | College of Policing

An approach developed by Humberside Police to ensure people who call the police get the best support and service.

www.college.police.uk

The police are getting absolutely hammered in the press for not dealing with rising car crime, not dealing with burglaries, not dealing with anti-social issues, not dealing with fraud and scams etc. Several Chief Constables have spoken fairly openly over the past couple of years about how their officers expected to not only do more police work with less, but have had to adopt the workloads of other organisations too. The warnings that moves like this were coming have been out there long enough and very little was done, unfortunately.

the Police are there like other emergency services to help the public and why we pay them in our taxes to do that. If not then I want a tax refund as that is why I pay my taxes to them.

Fire & Rescue are also an emergency service, but I dare say if they started attending mental health calls people would be outraged at the innappropriate use of such a valuable service.

 

[Purgatory]

I’ve got a lot of empathy. What I don’t like, which is what the Met are saying, is that police officers are being called to someone who has taken an overdose of 16 paracetamol or is threatening to. It’s not a criminal issue or a threat to life, it’s a medical cry for help and should be treated as such.

The Police are not funded to help people with mental health issues, they are there to deal with immediate threats to life. If someone’s on the edge of a bridge and about to jump, sure, send officers, if someone’s on the phone, for the 30th time this year, with 999 saying “I’ve got 20 ibuprofen and I’m going to take them”…. That’s not a police job. I’d also argue, it’s not an emergency, because instead of taking them, they’ve called 999 to get someone to stop them taking them. There needs to be a mental health response, not a police response.

It's a cry for help or as you said in red above, that is a threat to life and the police should be involved and the police calling an ambulance and attending the call too as they were called for help and they maybe needed at the scene to do so. Mental health is very complex and may even have lead to a serious crime once the police attend the scene and see what has actually happened.

I agree with what you are also saying but if someone has called an emergency service no matter what mental health state they are in they should turn up or help over the phone if that is what is needed by the caller.

 

[Purgatory]

Again no, you're wrong. You aren't entitled to a tax refund because you're ignorant of the purpose of something.

Must be a lot of ignorant people in the world then that believe the Police are there to help no matter what when called upon. Just have to look at social media and peoples reactions to this topic.

You can play well this job role has these responsibilities only... but then we are all human and should be helping each other where we can.. is that not right too ? Also the stereotypical view of the police is they are there to help.. is that not right and the people to call when you need help no matter what mental health state the person was in at time of the call ?

It's not ignorance it's just how we are brought up to believe the purposes of the police roles.. Am I wrong ?

Also I know some police officers and friends and one of the things they say to me is they took the job on to help people.. So were they wrong too when they took on the job thinking they could help people in need ?

Honestly not liking the world we are making and living in right now.. Good thing I didn't end up as a Police Officer when growing up as the role you describe is not what I would have wanted.

 

[Dis86]

Must be a lot of ignorant people in the world then that believe the Police are there to help no matter what when called upon. Just have to look at social media and peoples reactions to this topic.

You can play well this job role has these responsibilities only... but then we are all human and should be helping each other where we can.. is that not right too ? Also the stereotypical view of the police is they are there to help.. is that not right and the people to call when you need help no matter what mental health state the person was in at time of the call ?

It's not ignorance it's just how we are brought up to believe the purposes of the police roles.. Am I wrong ?

Also I know some police officers and friends and one of the things they say to me is they took the job on to help people.. So were they wrong too when they took on the job thinking they could help people in need ?

Honestly not liking the world we are making and living in right now.. Good thing I didn't end up as a Police Officer when growing up as the role you describe is not what I would have wanted.

There are a hell of a lot of ignorant people in the world. Forgive me if I don't use the likes of twitter and Facebook of bastions of intelligence.

It is just ignorance. That's literally the meaning of ignorance.

Police have a finite resource. Other agencies are currently abusing that. The police are finally starting to take a stand in light of the constant battering they're receiving.
Do you call the police if there's a fire? Do you call the police if you've fallen and broken a leg? No. You call the correct service.

 

[Purgatory]

It's not a waste of time as people who are in crisis obviously need help and support, but it is an absolutely massive and unsustainable drain on resources and the police are not best-placed to deal with those issues. Incidentally the headlines are wrong, MPS haven't said they'll stop responding entirely, but they are looking to attend fewer of them in line with other forces such as Humberside who now deal with a third less than they used to:

Right Care Right Person – Humberside Police | College of Policing

An approach developed by Humberside Police to ensure people who call the police get the best support and service.

www.college.police.uk

The police are getting absolutely hammered in the press for not dealing with rising car crime, not dealing with burglaries, not dealing with anti-social issues, not dealing with fraud and scams etc. Several Chief Constables have spoken fairly openly over the past couple of years about how their officers expected to not only do more police work with less, but have had to adopt the workloads of other organisations too. The warnings that moves like this were coming have been out there long enough and very little was done, unfortunately.



Fire & Rescue are also an emergency service, but I dare say if they started attending mental health calls people would be outraged at the innappropriate use of such a valuable service.

We may need a new Emergency service to deal with such issues and a new number to call how about 069 or 666 for mental help emergency services that can turn up on the scene ?

Reminds me of this ...

I agree with what you are saying really, but as we don't really have a an emergency service that is designed to help that way as the Police for example turning up on the scene that the caller may have needed at the time.

It's a very tough subject this and topic and the real question is do we need a new emergency service to deal with such things ? You just have to look at the news and social media and general life to see mental health issues are everywhere and becoming more of an issue to peoples lives and the health systems.

Also the fire and rescue in your example are also in my book there to help too in mental health cases as the roles again they took on are to help and save people from danger and the danger maybe coming from the person with the mental health issue..

Example of a mental health issue that affects the fire and rescue..

Pyromania is a type of impulse control disorder that is characterized by being unable to resist starting fires.

 

[Purgatory]

There are a hell of a lot of ignorant people in the world. Forgive me if I don't use the likes of twitter and Facebook of bastions of intelligence.

It is just ignorance. That's literally the meaning of ignorance.

Police have a finite resource. Other agencies are currently abusing that. The police are finally starting to take a stand in light of the constant battering they're receiving.
Do you call the police if there's a fire? Do you call the police if you've fallen and broken a leg? No. You call the correct service.

Do we need a new emergency service to deal with such calls then ? That's the question and as I stated above in post before this.

Again I agree but who do they call when they need help in that state and need someone to turn up ? Mental health issues are draining a lot of services and industries and only getting worse as we all know too.. unless you walk the world blind to what is happening in it.