This is why people are losing respect for the police...

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Purgatory said:
Do we need a new emergency service to deal with such calls then ? That's the question and as I stated above in post before this.

Again I agree but who do they call when they need help in that state and need someone to turn up ? Mental health issues are draining a lot of services and industries and only getting worse as we all know too.. unless you walk the world blind to what is happening in it.
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Mental health resources already exist. They're just run incredibly badly and often rely on the police to do their job because all too often they just can't be arsed.
 
Dis86 said:
Mental health resources already exist. They're just run incredibly badly and often rely on the police to do their job because all too often they just can't be arsed.
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Finally we get to the truth and the real issues.

So we need this fixed and our government is not doing enough to fix these issues and passing the issues to other services.. So we need a national emergency service to deal with such issues.
 
Purgatory said:
Finally we get to the truth and the real issues.

So we need this fixed and our government is not doing enough to fix these issues and passing the issues to other services.. So we need a national emergency service to deal with such issues.
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No, we don't need anything new. We just need the correct people to be funded and to do their job correctly. In a lot of instances they shut shop at 4pm on a Friday til 9am on the Monday. Because, you know, people only need help during weekday office hours.
 
Purgatory said:
It's a very tough subject this and topic and the real question is do we need a new emergency service to deal with such things ? You just have to look at the news and social media and general life to see mental health issues are everywhere and becoming more of an issue to peoples lives and the health systems.
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I don't honestly think we do, we need the provisions of mental health support services to be improved so people aren't reaching a tipping point where their mental health puts them into a crisis situation in the first place. When it does the ambulance service can and should be equipped to deal with it, and if they've got weapons or are otherwise dangerous the police can be called if required. The current scenario where someone receives no support for weeks or months, calls 999 and gets told an ambulance won't attend, calls again and asks for police then ends up with a cop at their door is completely wrong, not just for the police but for the individual too who still isn't going to get the support they need and risks being criminalised or entered onto a police system due to that interaction.

Also the fire and rescue in your example are also in my book there to help too in mental health cases as the roles again they took on are to help and save people from danger and the danger maybe coming from the person with the mental health issue..

Example of a mental health issue that affects the fire and rescue..

Pyromania is a type of impulse control disorder that is characterized by being unable to resist starting fires.
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The only part FRS should be dealing with in that instance is the fire. They aren't a mental health service and neither are the police.
 
Dis86 said:
No, we don't need anything new. We just need the correct people to be funded and to do their job correctly. In a lot of instances they shut shop at 4pm on a Friday til 9am on the Monday. Because, you know, people only need help during weekday office hours.
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Right so why is the government not raising the standards of these so called services out there and making sure they are funded correctly ? As mental health issues are clearly on the rise and causing a lot of time wasted and money wasted for other services.

Like I said there needs to be an emergency service trained for these types of issues and 24/7 with a help line always available and people that can turn up on a scene if required as the police,ambulance and fire & rescue do currently.

Not some charities playing they are helping and really only setup for profit. I will not stick names of some charities in as that may offend some.. I think a lot of charities that do such help are not there to help and in most cases have staff not even trained to be doing the job correctly and in a safe manner.

So .. time for a new emergency service that is correctly run by trained people with the skills and abilities to really help... not charities and as you said run at business hours. Emergencies are not set to business hours...
 
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Sadiq is strangely quiet on this proposal - does he like Rowley or not.

Humberside health outcomes don't seem to have improved from their 2019+ trial of this cunning plan
2021 Yorkshire and the Humber is the third highest deprived region out of the nine regions in England. As with other regions in the North of England, life expectancy and healthy life expectancy is lower than the national average. However, this masks wide differences in the region with areas such as Hull and Bradford having high deprivation scores whereas North Yorkshire and York are some of the least deprived areas in England.
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www.college.police.uk

Right Care Right Person – Humberside Police | College of Policing

The College of Policing was established in 2012 as the professional body for those working in policing in England & Wales. The College's purpose is to provide the skills and knowledge necessary to prevent crime, protect the public and secure public trust.
www.college.police.uk www.college.police.uk
 
Dis86 said:
No, we don't need anything new. We just need the correct people to be funded and to do their job correctly. In a lot of instances they shut shop at 4pm on a Friday til 9am on the Monday. Because, you know, people only need help during weekday office hours.
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Having had the misfortune to require these services for my wife a couple of years ago I can attest that what Dis says is absolutely spot on. Thankfully she's not needed the MHT in 18 months now and is back to her old self.
 
ron3003 said:
Having had the misfortune to require these services for my wife a couple of years ago I can attest that what Dis says is absolutely spot on. Thankfully she's not needed the MHT in 18 months now and is back to her old self.
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Glad she's where she should be now. Fingers crossed she doesn't need them ever again.
 
Purgatory said:
It's a cry for help or as you said in red above, that is a threat to life and the police should be involved and the police calling an ambulance and attending the call too as they were called for help and they maybe needed at the scene to do so. Mental health is very complex and may even have lead to a serious crime once the police attend the scene and see what has actually happened.

I agree with what you are also saying but if someone has called an emergency service no matter what mental health state they are in they should turn up or help over the phone if that is what is needed by the caller.
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It’s not a threat to life, 16 paracetamol will not in any way kill you. 60 could, and even then, it’ll take 2 to 4 days.

And what do you do with the person who does this every week? They’ve had police respond 20 times in a year with their cry’s for help.

Why are they asking for the police? Is it because when they are directed to the mental health crisis team or ambulance control room they don’t like not getting an emergency response?

They should be immediately redirected to medical carers. The Police should not be attending, if medical carers want to they can, be it ambulances or mental health teams. Police can’t even section people in their own home.

These people should not be attended by police unless there is an immediate direct threat to life. If they are on an edge of a building or bridge for instance.

My favourite thing with “suicidal people” is in the USA. They are holding a knife and threatening to cut themselves, police turn up guns drawn, tell them to drop it or they’ll shoot, AND THEY DROP THE KNIFE! Shows how much they actually want to die really.

Sadly suicide is a horrendous disease, it’ll either kill you at its worst or you won’t be taken seriously because it should kill you. It’s not difficult to die when you are actively suicidal.

We can blame the government for the mental health care in this country, but the police should not be dealing with it. If there weren’t enough cancer wards you wouldn’t send police officers to cancer patients, nor should you for other health related incidents.
 
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www.dailymail.co.uk

EXCLUSIVE Met officer blasted after 'thief' dragged female cop by hair

EXCLUSIVE: The shocking video saw a female officer swung around by her ponytail by an enraged 26-year-old woman in Willesden, north-east London.
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More diversity hires in action here too:


I get that they don't want a force comprised of only straight white guys but there used to be some sort of height requirement, perhaps there ought to at least be some increased minimum fitness standards, it is supposed to be a physical job in part.

Also scrap the push for diversity for the sake of it, running exclusive women, LGBTQ, minority etc. events in order to try and improve the stats instead of just recruiting and trying to pick good candidates.

In the Daily Fail story one officer seemed like a total liability to his colleague and ditto to this little nerdy guy in the Twitter vid, he sees a woman assaulting his colleague who is trying to perform an arrest and he seemingly isn't able to do anything.

 
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dowie said:
More diversity hires in action here ...

I get that they don't want a force comprised of only straight white guys but there used to be some sort of height requirement, perhaps there ought to at least be some increased minimum fitness standards, it is supposed to be a physical job in part.

Also scrap the push for diversity for the sake of it, running exclusive women, LGBTQ, minority etc. events in order to try and improve the stats instead of just recruiting and trying to pick good candidates.

In the Daily Fail story one officer seemed like a total liability to his colleague and ditto to this little nerdy guy in the Twitter vid, he sees a woman assaulting his colleague who is trying to perform an arrest and he seemingly isn't able to do anything.
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City of London was 6 foot minimum in 1988, and s Wales police was about 5'9 from memory.

It was put forward as a suitable career for me as a big fighty lump when I was 18. Unfortunately, my extramural activities were not conducive to it.
 
dowie said:
More diversity hires in action here too:


I get that they don't want a force comprised of only straight white guys but there used to be some sort of height requirement, perhaps there ought to at least be some increased minimum fitness standards, it is supposed to be a physical job in part.

Also scrap the push for diversity for the sake of it, running exclusive women, LGBTQ, minority etc. events in order to try and improve the stats instead of just recruiting and trying to pick good candidates.

In the Daily Fail story one officer seemed like a total liability to his colleague and ditto to this little nerdy guy in the Twitter vid, he sees a woman assaulting his colleague who is trying to perform an arrest and he seemingly isn't able to do anything.

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All you can do is laugh at this level of incompetence. It's the police force they wanted, they can deal with the consequences.
 
GaryTheSnail said:
The police are probably loosing respect for the public as well. The public are more nuts than the police.
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The biggest threat to society are the police as it stands. If we got rid of them, we'd probably be better off. It's not like before the police, people were being murdered left right and centre in the 1800's.

They escalate trivial offences like smoking weed into full out confrontations.
 
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