Thorney Motorsport

It is the difference between manufacture and assembly. The fact is most tuners today are little more than assemblers, even the good ones. The manufacturers are not the organisations that people on this forum and most of the other forums go to simply because we can't afford to and their skills tend to filter down via commercial reseller agreements or by poaching people now and again who can bring the knowledge with them. Now there are of course levels of assembly but much of the tuning world is to quote a good mate, snake oil and pixey dust and expecting most of them to be little more than assemblers with a differing level of end valeting is at best naive.

Not trying to defend anyone here, just trying to say it's a fickle world. I have seen threads like this about people such as JZM, Parr and Fearns too and I don't think anyone would argue that they know their stuff and have a great reputation, though again they are mostly doing the Manthey thing rather than innovating their own stuff when it comes to adding 'stuff'. All of them know Pork well and do a thorough and excellent job but now and again it will go wrong, that is business. How you deal with it of course matter and this may be where some people get it wrong. I am absolutely confident that there is no smoke without fire however in the same way I am clear that some customers are simply dick heads who should be slapped and sent packing, with no inference to anyone in this thread either, simply the way of the world. If your card is marked on the internet however you need to tread VERY carefully and I suspect this is where this all started and the management of this is key.

Right then I am going to start my own business, what is the L10 cap on the top of the engine for, is it important and do I need to make sure the water goes all the way to the top?
 
Yes you did :)

This one?

thepharcyde said:
I was highlighting the point that everyone starts somewhere

If so I absolutely agree, you have to start somewhere. You typically start by either learning the theoretical side of a subject at university and then gain experience as a graduate, or learn a trade as an apprentice etc. Once you have gained the necessary skills and experience, you start your own business if you desire.

I wonder if the guy that started Dreamscience was sitting one the sofa on day and thought "Hmm, I really like watching TV, that must qualify me to research flat panel display technology".
 
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If so I absolutely agree, you have to start somewhere. You typically start by either learning the theoretical side of a subject at university and then gain experience as a graduate, or learn a trade as an apprentice etc. Once you have gained the necessary skills and experience, you start your own business if you desire.

I think that is an ideal world not the reality of most of the motor/tuning trade.
 
I think that is an ideal world not the reality of most of the motor/tuning trade.

Hence the large number of essentially clueless eff-wits that charge large sums to money for something they don't know how to do properly.

However, there are people out there that have followed the traditional paths, know what they are talking about and provide excellent service. Typically they won't be the ones pimping themselves on internet forums...
 
Hence the large number of essentially clueless eff-wits that charge large sums to money for something they don't know how to do properly.

However, there are people out there that have followed the traditional paths, know what they are talking about and provide excellent service. Typically they won't be the ones pimping themselves on internet forums...

..or pimping themselves less obviously I'd suggest so not getting under as many peoples skin....it could be argued.
 
If so I absolutely agree, you have to start somewhere. You typically start by either learning the theoretical side of a subject at university and then gain experience as a graduate, or learn a trade as an apprentice etc. Once you have gained the necessary skills and experience, you start your own business if you desire.

I wonder if the guy that started Dreamscience was sitting one the sofa on day and thought "Hmm, I really like watching TV, that must qualify me to research flat panel display technology".

But then you have guys like Andy Forrest of AFP who started out as a marine engineer and then worked in the brewery business and the guy who is doing the Cobb access port stuff for the R35 GT-R is a GP.
 
I'm truly amazed all the other forum owners have given in to Thorne's tactics. Anyone with an ounce of legal knowledge could see right through his tactics.

Not surprisingly we haven't heard from him since. If we do we are ready to deal with the consequences but I don't think for 1 second it will happen.
 
I'm truly amazed all the other forum owners have given in to Thorne's tactics. Anyone with an ounce of legal knowledge could see right through his tactics.

Not surprisingly we haven't heard from him since. If we do we are ready to deal with the consequences but I don't think for 1 second it will happen.

Good on you for keeping the thread up here! :)
 
I'm truly amazed all the other forum owners have given in to Thorne's tactics. Anyone with an ounce of legal knowledge could see right through his tactics.

Not surprisingly we haven't heard from him since. If we do we are ready to deal with the consequences but I don't think for 1 second it will happen.

Hah, wonder if I'll get an email for hosting pictures of the post as linked above :D
 
I'm truly amazed all the other forum owners have given in to Thorne's tactics. Anyone with an ounce of legal knowledge could see right through his tactics.

Not surprisingly we haven't heard from him since. If we do we are ready to deal with the consequences but I don't think for 1 second it will happen.
My favourite bit was him pre-writing your apology!
 
I'm truly amazed all the other forum owners have given in to Thorne's tactics. Anyone with an ounce of legal knowledge could see right through his tactics.

Not surprisingly we haven't heard from him since. If we do we are ready to deal with the consequences but I don't think for 1 second it will happen.

i genuinely dont understand all this legal stuff.

If this forum hosts content that contains something that is in any way not 100 % accurate, how can OcUK not be sued for libel if he can claim it looses him business ?
 
i genuinely dont understand all this legal stuff.

If this forum hosts content that contains something that is in any way not 100 % accurate, how can OcUK not be sued for libel if he can claim it looses him business ?

Because the issue is with the poster and not the forum.
The views being expressed are those of the person posting and has no relation to OCUK (since the person is not employed by OCUK to post unlike say newspapers that employ the journalists to write the article), and OCUK are under no legal obligation to remove the post unless there is a court order telling them to remove that post.

Equally UK law provides a fair comment provision, so us discussing is fair game and since the original poster never posted here there is no libel really


EDIT: and LASTLY the High Court has ruled that stuff said on a forum is more akin to slander and not libel (case from '09 afaik)
EDIT2: Here is the case linky
http://www.lawdit.co.uk/reading_roo...les/5176-Bulletin-Boards-Slander-Or-Libel.htm
Mr Justice Eady said that the comments were likely to be considered as 'fair comment' i.e. they cannot be considered as defamatory if they are posted without malice and represent the posters honest views: "I referred to common themes in the postings, such as that of 'bullying' other users and making 'threatening demands' for money. That is classic fair comment territory and, in the light of the modern authorities, it is inconceivable that a jury would find any of those who expressed such a view 'malicious' let alone all of them...Opinions may be expressed in exaggerated and strident terms; the only requirement is that they be honestly held. It is fanciful to suppose that any of these people did not believe what they were saying. Even if they reached their conclusions in haste, or on incomplete information, or irrationally, the defence would still avail them."
 
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Not quite that simple sadly. There is an obligation for moderation and I believe court precedents have been set for this, though I am not in anyway a legal expert on such things.
 
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