Todays London Stabbing/Shooting

i havent read all the pages so forgive me but where are the parents in all of this? surely they know theres stabbings going on - so why dont they keep their kids in check? why should we as a first world country even need policing/forensic units etc (I mean why should a cut mean more murders.. ).
 
rainbowGuy said:
i havent read all the pages so forgive me but where are the parents in all of this? surely they know theres stabbings going on - so why dont they keep their kids in check?
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That's pretty much the heart of the problem

It's pretty depressing that whenever there is a stabbing, you normally see the victims mother, auntie, sister all out the media. An older male is nowhere to be seen.
 
Dis86 said:
Look at the larger picture that these crimes are indicative of. . . .
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The "bigger picture" involving overpopulation and an ageing population is certainly a deeply concerning issue which may well impact on the economy and even on "the future of our/every species on the planet".

However, it is not going to be addressed by the random sterilisation of people you don't like or as a result of stabbings and shootings in our Capital city.

Why don't you start a relevant thread on the topic :confused:
 
It's all Sadiq Khans fault

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48878470

British policing resources have been "drained to dangerously low levels", five ex-Met Police chiefs have warned.

The former commissioners, who ran London's police force from 1993 to 2017, said cuts had "contributed to the feeling of lawlessness" generated by knife crime and county lines drugs.

They called for a royal commission on policing and the possible ending of the "fragmented" system of 45 area forces.

In a letter to The Times newspaper, the former Scotland Yard chiefs - and three other former senior officers - said there had been an "emasculation of British policing" in recent years.

They said the loss of more than 30,000 officers and support staff in recent years had left the public with "perilously low expectations".

The cuts, along with the "virtual destruction" of neighbourhood policing and the "undermining" of powers - such as stop and search, had taken their toll, they said.

The retired officers said the next prime minister will "inherit the urgent task of restoring confidence".

But they did not believe it could be restored by what they describe as a "fragmented" system of territorial forces.

Labour MP Yvette Cooper, who chairs of the home affairs select committee, said the "damning" letter revealed a "desperate need for more police".

In their letter, the retired officers call for a royal commission - essentially a government-appointed advisory committee - to investigate the state of British policing.

Sir Mark Rowley, who signed the letter and was assistant commissioner in Metropolitan Police between 2011-18, said: "We're saying it needs a fresh look at a national level in terms of how to organise policing to deal with the threats of today."

The letter criticised police and crime commissioners, saying they did not have the skills or resources to address the problems.

Sir Mark told BBC Radio 4's Today programme: "Having one person overseeing a massive organisation, there's no base in governance for that. You don't have boards of companies which is just one person on their own."

He said such commissioners had "fairly unchecked powers" in how they seek to direct the police.
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rainbowGuy said:
i havent read all the pages so forgive me but where are the parents in all of this? surely they know theres stabbings going on - so why dont they keep their kids in check? why should we as a first world country even need policing/forensic units etc (I mean why should a cut mean more murders.. ).
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The parent (ie mother because the father is nowhere to be seen) blames the government for their failure in bringing up their wild feral children who stab others or end up being stabbed (they are innocent scholars during this scenario). Nobody here ever takes personal responsibility, apparantly it's also because youth centres closed down if you believe what you read in this thread.
 
Lord-Jaffa said:
The parent (ie mother because the father is nowhere to be seen) blames the government for their failure in bringing up their wild feral children who stab others or end up being stabbed (they are innocent scholars during this scenario). Nobody here ever takes personal responsibility, apparantly it's also because youth centres closed down if you believe what you read in this thread.
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What if the mother is working all day then? No sympathy at all. An overworked single parent losing control of their children is nothing new.

You've already made up your mind anyway.
 
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StriderX said:
What if the mother is working all day then? No sympathy at all. An overworked single parent losing control of their children is nothing new.

You've already made up your mind anyway.
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You're right it isn't, my background is exactly what you have stated and yet none of my siblings have stabbed anyone.

As usual you use hysteria and whataboutisms of the extreme and apply it to all cases. You're correct it's nothing new though, except only in black culture is the appropriate response to carry knives and stab each other.
 
Lord-Jaffa said:
You're right it isn't, my background is exactly what you have stated and yet none of my siblings have stabbed anyone.

As usual you use hysteria and whataboutisms of the extreme and apply it to all cases. You're correct it's nothing new though, except only in black culture is the appropriate response to carry knives and stab each other.
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And yet Glasgow or Belfast in the 90s were exactly that... it changed because people were fed up of their kids being murdered. Nothing to do with colour at all, it's simply the coincidence and prevalence that you make that assumption that it's because they're black.

I'd never use my own life to compare to others, because that's naive and totally irrelevant to understanding and resolving criminality induced by a variety of factors and not simply because of one issue.
 
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StriderX said:
And yet Glasgow or Belfast in the 90s were exactly that... it changed because people were fed up of their kids being murdered. Nothing to do with colour at all, it's simply the coincidence and prevalence that you make that assumption that it's because they're black.
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Great, but this is the London stabbing thread and its not an assumption, it's what the statistics say.

Again you go off point with something that isnt relevant.
 
Using/adapting what other urban areas have used to deal with criminals is very relevant. Ignoring complexity is going to get you nowhere as well.
 
VincentHanna said:
"It's because their melanin innit"
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No it's what the statistics say, just because you're so into social justice that you feel more comfortable labelling those that are suggesting there are issues with certain groups of people is your own small minded problem. The main causes never get addressed at their core because there is always some retard claiming anyone who points this out is a "whateverlabel" are making these issues worse. It's not like anything better can be expected of you though, its what you do in every thread.
StriderX said:
Using/adapting what other urban areas have used to deal with criminals is very relevant. Ignoring complexity is going to get you nowhere as well.
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Oh so its a complex issue now is it? Whoever would have known! Before you said its a product of overworked single parents, you change your argument and back edit posts to add points when it suits your agenda. Whats most striking about the whole issue is that it absolutely mirrors inner city black youths of America some 20 odd years ago, blaming others (Government, police, whatever is convenient rather than personal responsibility) for having loads of fatherless children on welfare. Except in the UK there is every opertunity for any person of any race to succeed, the fact they don't is entirely their own fault.
 
Nasher said:
Id say cap it at one kid though, or remove it entirely. Its not like we have a shortage of people.
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I'd go with removing it entirely. It shouldn't be the states job to help fund your child/children. If you can't afford kids then don't have any and it you do end up having a "happy little accident" then the state shouldn't pay for your mistake.

I know thats controversial to some but I have no problem with people having as many kids as they can afford and no more, that just makes sense rather than the current system which pays low income families to pop out kids as meal tickets.
 
ianh said:
I'd go with removing it entirely. It shouldn't be the states job to help fund your child/children. If you can't afford kids then don't have any and it you do end up having a "happy little accident" then the state shouldn't pay for your mistake.

I know thats controversial to some but I have no problem with people having as many kids as they can afford and no more, that just makes sense rather than the current system which pays low income families to pop out kids as meal tickets.
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I have no problem with that either
 
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