Tower block fire - london

Why are Councils and Landlords now trying to suck on the public teat (taxpayers) in the first instance, when they should be taking legal action against the suppliers and specifiers through their indemnity insurance?

I know as a designer that for even the smallest projects, £5 million is a typical indemnity and this could be much larger.
 
so anyone else shocked by the behaviour of some people during the minutes silence during the carnival, as reported on c4,
are people so lacking in empathy, respect and manners in Britain that they must film everything with their mobiles, do we just take that as
acceptable behaviour now ?
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Here's the problem, person a is born here pays taxes falls on hard times gets offered a dingy bedsit
person b turns up from another country gets a brand new high spec flat for free has never paid tax

it's creating resentment
 
C64 said:
Here's the problem, person a is born here pays taxes falls on hard times gets offered a dingy bedsit
person b turns up from another country gets a brand new high spec flat for free has never paid tax

it's creating resentment
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You can't say things like this, it's frowned upon. Facts have no place here, it's, erm, nuanced.
 
C64 said:
Here's the problem, person a is born here pays taxes falls on hard times gets offered a dingy bedsit
person b turns up from another country gets a brand new high spec flat for free has never paid tax

it's creating resentment
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Im not saying that doesn't happen from time to time but that very rarely happens now.

If you have nothing then you get the bare, bare, bare minimum.
 
jpaul said:
so anyone else shocked by the behaviour of some people during the minutes silence during the carnival, as reported on c4,
are people so lacking in empathy, respect and manners in Britain that they must film everything with their mobiles, do we just take that as
acceptable behaviour now ?
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People on here were saying they couldn't even be silent for a minute for the London/Manchester terror attack victims, so this doesn't surprise me at all.
 
so it was good to see on the opening day of the inquest that the BBC & C4 were both presenting a balanced debate and interviewing vocal residents who
expressed reservations about the management of the inquest (lack of resident participation on the inquest 'commitee', and remit not including wider social housing inequitites)
Did they try and find anyone with a good/complimentary thing to say ? these media need to be called out - where is Mr Trump when you need him?

The residents seem to have forgotten their animosity towards the press too. (Ok maybe just those with compliments on inquest )
 
Some numpty on the radio was saying he's attended the inquest today and wanted answers but hadn't got any so it's a whitewash. And the Labour mp Dent Coad outside the venue moaning about the chandeliers because that is SO important.
On Sky they produced some stupid looking dude who said the fire was equally as bad as the Titanic disaster but true to form Sky never told him he was talking ****.
 
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C64 said:
Here's the problem, person a is born here pays taxes falls on hard times gets offered a dingy bedsit
person b turns up from another country gets a brand new high spec flat for free has never paid tax

it's creating resentment
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Want to take a 1 in 3 chance of death for a chance to rent a brand new flat?

Funny how you think these people have paid no tax when you don't know them and assume that people in bedsits are hardworking taxpayers born in this country.

Mix in some comments about assuming people of different colour/race about clearly not being born here and you show yourself to be someone who nobody will ever care about or show sympathy for.

I bet the 18 children that died were all born in this country and better people than you.

Read the article below if you want to understand who lived there.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt-sh/Grenfell_21st_floor

Like the rest of the country (unemployment rate is low) most households would have had people working even if that meant low paid jobs for many.
 
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A man who lost six members of his family in the Grenfell Tower fire says the police helicopter deployed that night created a “cruel and tortuous hope” for his family that led him to believe they could be rescued from the air.

Nabil Choucair has lodged a formal complaint after listening to harrowing 999 calls made by his family that night. He says they were left with the impression that they could be rescued by helicopter.

https://www.channel4.com/news/grenfell-relative-lodges-complaint-over-police-helicopter

A bizarre complaint that needs to be rejected immediately.
 
TheVoice said:
A man who lost six members of his family in the Grenfell Tower fire says the police helicopter deployed that night created a “cruel and tortuous hope” for his family that led him to believe they could be rescued from the air.

Nabil Choucair has lodged a formal complaint after listening to harrowing 999 calls made by his family that night. He says they were left with the impression that they could be rescued by helicopter.

https://www.channel4.com/news/grenfell-relative-lodges-complaint-over-police-helicopter

A bizarre complaint that needs to be rejected immediately.
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Why immediately? People not allowed to lodge complaints and argue their point?

Are we just gonna reject all complaints where we think we are right in the first 5 seconds?

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Actually finding more about it, he is suggesting (likely without evidence) that people may not have made risky attempts of escape because of the hope of rescue or even gone up levels because of the helicopter.

I don't think he is right but I or you don't have the information to reject it immediately.
 
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muon said:
Why immediately? People not allowed to lodge complaints and argue their point?

Are we just gonna reject all complaints where we think we are right in the first 5 seconds?

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Actually finding more about it, he is suggesting (likely without evidence) that people may not have made risky attempts of escape because of the hope of rescue or even gone up levels because of the helicopter.

I don't think he is right but I or you don't have the information to reject it immediately.
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what exactly do you want as an outcome here? Police to put a huge no fly zone around any multistory fire so people cant see helicopters?
 
muon said:
Why immediately? People not allowed to lodge complaints and argue their point?

Are we just gonna reject all complaints where we think we are right in the first 5 seconds?

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Actually finding more about it, he is suggesting (likely without evidence) that people may not have made risky attempts of escape because of the hope of rescue or even gone up levels because of the helicopter.

I don't think he is right but I or you don't have the information to reject it immediately.
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The complaint is that the presence of the helicopter gave false hope. In reality, it will have helped save lives and and would have been providing valuable visual data to crews on the ground.
 
TheVoice said:
A man who lost six members of his family in the Grenfell Tower fire says the police helicopter deployed that night created a “cruel and tortuous hope” for his family that led him to believe they could be rescued from the air.

Nabil Choucair has lodged a formal complaint after listening to harrowing 999 calls made by his family that night. He says they were left with the impression that they could be rescued by helicopter.

https://www.channel4.com/news/grenfell-relative-lodges-complaint-over-police-helicopter

A bizarre complaint that needs to be rejected immediately.
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I've watched this and part of the interview shows a solicitors letter outlining the complaint that the police should have foreseen the effect of having a helicopter in such circumstances would have had on the residents (making them think it would pick them up from the roof). Also, the guy said that his family repeatedly asked for a helicopter rescue but, as the call handler did not explicitly say no rather that they would forward the request, the family assumed this was a green light for a rooftop extraction.

Not sure how many people expected to be picked up by a tiny helicopter when something like this is required:
 
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