It's a conservative council, so if any party is going to get a kicking for it, it will be the conservatives. As for whether May personally had anything to do with it... when has that ever mattered? It happened while she was at the helm so she'll suffer for it. It's not right, but that's what happens.
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Something tells me if they ever do this they won't be starting with the homes of his foreign secretary, Lady Nugee.
How can it not be politicised? Regulation of such buildings is politics. That so many people have to live in such condensed conditions is politics. That the fire brigade seemingly had no equipment to deal with fires above about the 10th floor is politics. That the victims/survivors feel that they were neglected by those who should have been protecting them is politics. That the building was coated in a 'potentially' flammable material to hit either/both climate targets or prettification targets is politics.I have no idea why so many people on here feel the need to identify the cause / what's the fault when it's extremely unlikely that anyone is an expert. It reminds me of people saying the Manchester Arena attack was in fact an exploding balloon, a stampede caused by a blown speaker or an electrical transformer going on the roof
I know everyone means well, just might as well wait for the outcome.
If we make no noise now, in the emotional days after the tragedy, then when? in 5 years when the enquiry closes and it's old news? nonsense.
Corbyn is a traitorous, for most of his life scruffy Marxist. Critising him is really like shooting ducks in a barrel despite him never actually having any real control over which to judge his competence.
his history of supporting elements quite opposed to the Uk establishment, his support and fawning over leaders like Chavez who set Venezuela of the road to starvation and ruin his comical appointments (McDonnell as shadow chancellor for example)
May has shown herself wanting and possessed of so much hubris that she didn't think that she would lose any seats even with a ridiculous manifesto. If she had any sense of duty to the tory party she would arrange for a quiet dignified, orderly transfer of power to a new PM to take the party forward. Unfortunately with Brexit hanging around the UK's neck she likely to stay if just to ensure some continuity....
Then make noise on those topics.
Don't demand all the 'rich people' should open their swathes of 'empty mansions' for the 'poor people' who have lost their homes/loved ones/ belongings.
He's said that deliberately empty property (not homes) that are being used as "land banks" should be used to house victims. I've not heard him say "all the millionaires in Kensington should open their empty homes".
There's an awful lot of property in London that's owned by investors and investment groups from around the World, sitting there, empty, doing nothing.
He's demanded nothing of the sort.
Why not?
There is a need - an emergency - and a solution has been suggested. Why should that be written off?
FFS - in the war we had people taking on others' kids as part of the war effort. Is it really too much that we ask for use of empty property for families left with nothing now?
Good luck getting hold of all those rich foreigners to let people in.
In an interview he talked about the rich and the poor. How poor that area is, 'most probably the poorest ward in the country', and how rich Kensington/ Chelsea are.
He then suggested that empty homes, in Kensington/ Chelsea area, owned by investment firms and the like should be requisitioned, if necessary, to house the people affected by this.
Sorry I didn't use as many words.
Whilst I don't necessary disagree with his POA, the way he went about it, deliberately focusing on rich v poor as an opener, is cheap political point scoring. Not everyone in that flat was poor... and all vacant homes in the vicinity should be requisitioned if need be.
Well, quite.
The practicalities may be difficult, but it's not the suggestion that one should find distasteful, however.
because we have private property rights.... that you can't imagine what might be the pitfalls of compulsory seizure of 'luxury' property (with or without compensation?) so that people can be 'Temporarily' houses in them us a reflection of your views....
no one's going to be left out on the streets from the block. It's not necessarily going to be nice but they they will and are being temporarily rehoused. Corbyn is just back to playing the politics of envy....
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We should requisition all the empty property owned by poor people too...
That would be fair but I think we can assume most poor people don't own empty properties
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It's worth noting that said cladding material is actually banned in the USA and Germany.
Just because you own a property in these areas doesn't automatically mean you are rich per se. (I took the comment with sarcasm
)My point being is that Corby could have said something along the lines of...
'In light of this tragedy, we are looking into the possibility of temporarily requisitioning local empty houses to aid the relief effort, and to help those who have lost everything.'
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Well... a lot of people have lost their homes and lives because a building wasn't sufficiently regulated.
I can imagine a lot of people being envious of the rich. And I don't think of they are rich... But because its unlikely that this would have happened to a building in a richer area.
All the nice buildings will have a fire alarm I bet
There were some really nice apartments in that block tbh. http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-to-rent/property-59885887.html
The empty property thing is just another corbyn robin hood fantasy to rile up the 'poor people' that has no basis in reality.
His politicisation of the fire whilst people were still burning to death was sickening.
The left wing media trying to present him as some sort of Princess Di figure is hilarious - its a long way to fall when the bubble bursts...
His politicisation of the fire whilst people were still burning to death was sickening.
The left wing media trying to present him as some sort of Princess Di figure is hilarious - its a long way to fall when the bubble bursts...
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that the combination of the insulation being flammable and the company who installed it no longer existing (despite that industry being a cash cow right now) heavily implies that they did know the stuff they were putting in was crap and they were out to make a quick buck.