Tower block fire - london

On a side note, what are the neighbours and wider london community doing to help the survivors? i know over the country ther have been collections and donations made but aside from that, ive heard very little of the local community coming together to support.

I know its not the same, but its a huge contrast form the coverage of manchester when there was a huge response from the community.


huge amounts, one land lord has offered up 21 flats free of charge, churches are setting up shelters etc
 
On a side note, what are the neighbours and wider london community doing to help the survivors? i know over the country ther have been collections and donations made but aside from that, ive heard very little of the local community coming together to support.

I know its not the same, but its a huge contrast form the coverage of manchester when there was a huge response from the community.

It's hard to compare the Manchester (or indeed London) attacks by sick terrorists which we can and should all unite against (even if approaches differ) with a tragedy that really appears to demonstrate a massive division, economically, socially and ideologically within the country!
I'd urge you to watch the channel 4 interview with David Lammy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dISZpogzV_I

Or even more so look up some of the opinions of locals about the mainstream media and establishment doing the rounds on the likes of buzzfeed etc.
 
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So here is an interesting point to put before everyone claiming the nasty party {Tories} are all to blame for this.

An Article in the NewStandard saying that the new Labour Mp for Kensington was on the Kensington and Chelsea housing scrutiny committee, which oversees ''community safety issues'' she was on that until May 2014.

A 2014/2015 report in which she was named says the committee she was on scrutinised the work on the Grenfell tower,

She was also on the board of Kensington and Chelsea Tenant Management Organisation when the tower’s refurbishment was discussed.

And yet after the fire she pops up and blames the council for the fire when it seems she was on 2 seperate committee's that were involved in the refurbishment. why not speak up then when she was overseeing the work on the tower ?

How do you know she wasn't speaking up?
 
On a side note, what are the neighbours and wider london community doing to help the survivors? i know over the country ther have been collections and donations made but aside from that, ive heard very little of the local community coming together to support.

I know its not the same, but its a huge contrast form the coverage of manchester when there was a huge response from the community.

I'm not sure how it is? They've had so many donations that they had to ask people to stop within a day as it became counter productive, plenty of people have volunteered. There has been plenty of talk about people 'coming together' after Manchester attacks, London attacks and now this fire etc... Sure no one seems to have sung an Oasis song and there isn't a big benefit concert but the circumstances are a bit different.
 
that was what you and easy where doing last night wasnt it?



i mean you called me sick for pointing out it was being abused for political gain by both sides.


seems a touch personal...

You don't care about action, regulation change or any real consequence you cared about who got the best picture with a sobbing resident

It's not a genuine human exchange at all its a stage managed publicity event designed to increase support for a party/person.

You assume what easyrider does and doesn't care about and describe it as a staged managed publicity event?

People need to consider why Khan/May/the Queen have trouble walking the street that seem to open up to Corbyn.

I can't speak for the grieving lady at Grenfell and seriously neither can you, if you take it as a personal attack for me to typify the above statements as a bit sick, so be it, I suspect if you went and met the locals calling you a bit sick would be the milder end of responses.

By the way on the nuclear thread, thanks for the random, I don't understand what the hell he's on about drive by!
 
You assume what easyrider does and doesn't care about and describe it as a staged managed publicity event?

People need to consider why Khan/May/the Queen have trouble walking the street that seem to open up to Corbyn.

I can't speak for the grieving lady at Grenfell and seriously neither can you, if you take it as a personal attack for me to typify the above statements as a bit sick, so be it, I suspect if you went and met the locals calling you a bit sick would be the milder end of responses.

By the way on the nuclear thread, thanks for the random, I don't understand what the hell he's on about drive by!
The queen had no problem. Infact the residents seemed to be incredibly touched that she was there and talking to them eye to eye.
 
The queen had no problem. Infact the residents seemed to be incredibly touched that she was there and talking to them eye to eye.

The Queen's visit looks like every royal visit ever (no bad thing in the circumstances) and I'm not complaining about that, I wouldn't describe it as walking the streets.
Oddly as a republican, recent input on the parallels to 1930s Europe and same old same old reliability from the Royal visits, has been as welcome as that sane Dolph post earlier.

We don't have to agree on everything to have some compassion and respect for the individuals involved who are each dealing with it their own way and if we can't agree that an investigation(s) that quickly learn what we can do to stop this in future (which will likely require punishing those responsible) is needed, I wonder what planet we are all on!
 
Did you read your own article? "says she" "I said". There's still no record other than her own.

It'll be interesting if we find that someone who claims to have raised the issue previously was actually responsible for ignoring it, a point you appear to imply, I hope this would be a matter of public record.
 
well presumably there will at least be minutes for the various meetings the committee had and various reports that they had access to etc..
 
You assume what easyrider does and doesn't care about and describe it as a staged managed publicity event?


Easy attacked her for going to the Firefighters first, then attacked her when she went.

Saying she only did it because of bad publicity.


How is that not a stage managed event?

But I'm sure your right I'm sure easy just deeply cares for Ms mays agender on a personal level
 
Easy attacked her for going to the Firefighters first, then attacked her when she went.

Saying she only did it because of bad publicity.


How is that not a stage managed event?

But I'm sure your right I'm sure easy just deeply cares for Ms mays agender on a personal level

At the point I suggested your comments were a bit sick you were talking about "the best picture with a sobbing resident".
I've quoted what you were saying at the time that I typified the comments as sick, it is not likely an accident that you have dropped these quotes from your response!
 
No she was attacked for the timing.... OMG it's not hard to grasp!

Even the Queen beat her to it...

She would be attacked whenever she did it. Immediately that it happened she would be being opportunistic. Too late, she's only doing it because she was made to. Didn't show up she doesn't care. Does show up she's faking. She's a widely disliked Prime Minister. There is no scenario in this circumstance where she would not be attacked by people such as yourself. None.
 
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...-use-of-combustible-materials-in-tower-blocks

The Department for Communities and Local Government said: “Cladding using a composite aluminium panel with a polyethylene core would be non-compliant with current Building Regulations guidance. This material should not be used as cladding on buildings over 18m in height.”

Reynobond PE, understood to have been used on the Grenfell Tower, is made with a polyethylene core.

One fire safety expert, who asked not to be named because he runs a private company, said he could not envisage any mitigating factors that would allow the use of Reynobond PE.

An investigation led by a senior detective from Scotland Yard’s homicide and major crime command is under way. “If criminal offences have been committed it is us who will investigate that,” Cundy said.

got to wonder if that cladding was approved/intended... has a contractor taken a shortcut? Did people in the council know about the decision to use this cladding and approve of it?



Some sickos in this thread pushing their own agenda

What in particular do you mean? People using it to bash 'the Tories' before we've had an investigation?
 
I think your view is vacuous

I think their head is vacuous.

I still cant believe how many people are jealous/crying about easyrider's qualification. :D

He has a qualification and he's proud of it. I mean is it really worth whining over? Some people seem to be phobic to anyone and anything academic.

I think it became a point because they tried to use it as an Appeal To Authority. Their point was "I'm right because I have a BA in Media Studies". Unsurprisingly, that generated some amusement.

To some it is well known. To others not.



This post highlights just how very little Tefal knows about how the media works.

He's knocking the social media generation of politics....But this is no different to print based media of years before...

There are major and meaningful differences between print media and social media in terms of how and how much people's views are manipulated. Might as well say that a dialysis machine is no different to leeches of years before. And this from someone with a degree in media studies! :o
 
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