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Never before has a team needed more than 79 points to get 4th, that was once, never before have two teams finished above 90 points before, the average points required for 4th is somewhere around the 71-72 point mark, and you suggested that Utd needed 94 points to get 4th even though the record for a prem league title is 95 points and most often when the title breaks the 90 point barrier there is a big gap down to second.

You seem to be forgetting, that if the top two are better, then the next two down are more likely to lose more points against those sides.

Chelsea managed to pansy out and drop points to Arsenal, Utd, Liverpool maybe, away from home as they went for the draw. Where Chelsea could get more points would be against those teams, but if they did so, it would mean those teams have less points.

If City/Chelsea do better this coming season, it would most likely mean Liverpool/Arsenal drop a few more points against them bringing the points needed for 4th lower, not higher. The teams don't exist in a vacuum, for City to do better it means the rest of the league will have to do on average worse because those extra points has to mean less points for someone else.

79 points for fourth was an outlier, a severe outlier, the next highest was 76 I think, then normally the 68-73point bracket to get 4th. It's incredibly unlikely to be 79 points for 4th again, and 79, or 15points more than Utd had, is a ridiculously long way from the 94 points you're suggesting with 30 more points required. 94 points would almost certainly win the title.
 
drunkenmaster said:
You seem to be forgetting, that if the top two are better, then the next two down are more likely to lose more points against those sides.
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Complete codswallop

Its more likely Chelsea and City are going to improve over the smaller teams ( theoretically easier to beat....according to the table at least) than top four competition

Of course it helps to make the difference between 1st and 3rd or whatever, but its the rainy Monday night games vs Stoke /Southampton etc that makes a much bigger difference than direct matches vs top four.

Man Utd have won numerous titles without having good records in that season vs eventual top four.

There is also MUCH more money in the Epl ( and each level any particular team is aiming for) so most historical results arent much relevance

Last season any other team would have needed 80 to beat Arsenal.....who by the way have strengthened amd will probably buy a few more players ontop not to mention Ozil is likely to be more accustomed to the season and potentially more effective post new year. So they could easily get at least a handful of more points over the 38 games ( given their pretty dismal run post Feb~:it wouldnt be that hard)
 
Newcastle have signed their 7th player of the window!!!

Can somebody please tell me if I am dreaming here or if this is actually happening!!
 
FrankJH said:
Complete codswallop

Its more likely Chelsea and City are going to improve over the smaller teams ( theoretically easier to beat....according to the table at least) than top four competition

Of course it helps to make the difference between 1st and 3rd or whatever, but its the rainy Monday night games vs Stoke /Southampton etc that makes a much bigger difference than direct matches vs top four.

Man Utd have won numerous titles without having good records in that season vs eventual top four.

There is also MUCH more money in the Epl ( and each level any particular team is aiming for) so most historical results arent much relevance

Last season any other team would have needed 80 to beat Arsenal.....who by the way have strengthened amd will probably buy a few more players ontop not to mention Ozil is likely to be more accustomed to the season and potentially more effective post new year. So they could easily get at least a handful of more points over the 38 games ( given their pretty dismal run post Feb~:it wouldnt be that hard)
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Why do people keep on arguing rather than admit they made a mistake?

Lets go by your lowest number to be kind to you...

FrankJH said:
An extra 20 would mean we were equal with Liverpool in 2, but given how Chelsea and Man City should have improved (and possibly Liverpool as well, although this is a lot harder to work out), an extra 25-30 is probably required yes
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64+25=89

Rather than just admit to getting it wrong you will carry on arguing some old nonscence and then try to back pedal a little with...

FrankJH said:
Yes I could see 85+ potentially being needed to get top 4
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So what is it 85+ or the 89 on your first estimate or the top of your first estimate of 94 :D :p

Or you could just save all this **** and admit you made a mistake. Or we could just have a £50 charity bet that the team in fourth won't need 89 points. If the team in fourth requires 89 points I will even give you 2-1 and pay £100 to a charity of your choice.

Deal?
 
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Apparently he might not actually be joining the tour until the latter stages, but it's currently unclear.

Either way, nothing is going to happen until we actually make an offer to Juventus, then I think he'd at least consider trying to force his way out for big money, he's obviously not overly keen on staying, no matter what anyone says.

As for what we're doing in the transfer market, god knows.
 
Everton likely to get a bit of pocket money this week. They've got a 40% sell on clause on Forshaw. We've just rejected £2m from Wigan for him, holding out for £4m apparently.
 
Robbo said:
Vidal is officially in the Juventus tour squad, leaving tonight.

http://www.juventus.com/juve/it/news/convocati+juventus+tour+asia+pacific+2014

Still nothing from us to say we're even a bit interested (though he was confirmed by the Manchester media as a potential target a while back).
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The fact that no new signings are incoming with the glaring holes in the squad, CM, RB (Valencia is SO bad) and CB makes me think Woodwards "We have the monies" is just smoke and mirrors. These are positions we have needed for years now yet never sign anyone.

A manager of LVG experience should be able to know this without assessing the squad.
 
Lord-Jaffa said:
The fact that no new signings are incoming with the glaring holes in the squad, CM, RB (Valencia is SO bad) and CB makes me think Woodwards "We have the monies" is just smoke and mirrors. These are positions we have needed for years now yet never sign anyone.

A manager of LVG experience should be able to know this without assessing the squad.
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You cant help thinking that can you. LvG is getting much more from the players that we have but why settle for what we have. There are loads of players that would improve us massively so why aren't we going for them. The number of years we have underspent compared to rivals cannot be chance. We are still one of the lowest spenders out of the top teams in the PL even though we need the most work.
 
FrankJH said:
So tell me why Arsenal wont get more points this season after strengthening their attack if you think Im wrong

Rather than just aiming nasty digs at me

Not exactly moderating
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I never mentioned anything about Arsenal not getting more points or aimed any nasty digs at you, I only questioned that you thought Man.U. would need a minimum of 89 points this season to get top 4.
You changed that to 85+ points instead of just saying 'ok maybe a bit less'.
And history will tell you that in no PL season ever have all 4 top teams finished with 89 points or more, so it's pretty unlikely.
 
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