*Transfer Window 2014/15 Season Rumours/Signings *AKA Man U fans listing every player under the Sun

[Robbo]

Don't love him more than the next guy, you united fans have hatred for him yet being the better out of your midfielders, says more about you than me really. He's a good player, just hasn't had any decent support since joining the club. Same with Moyes eh!

I've never expressed a 'hatred' for him, when you reply to my posts you should only consider what I'm saying, nothing else. I can't be expected to present/defend the views of an entire fanbase.

What you're saying is rubbish; even all the non Man Utd fans think he's useless. He's never been effective in central midfield and we have enough people who can play off the striker. He looks the same for Belgium in midfield as he does for us, he didn't impress me there at all.

Moyes was a useless, cowardly excuse for a manager and got far more backing from the fans than he deserved. We've been through this before, you don't need to keep bringing it up.

 

[Trusty]

lol..pretty hilarious you lads..

 

[Robbo]

And then you just resort to comments like that instead of having a conversation.

Fellaini is strong and good in the air. That's pretty much it. On top of that he elbows someone at least once per game and is lucky he isn't sent off more often for it. He doesn't read the game well, he can't tackle, he can't pass, he can't shoot...

 

[Trusty]

And then you just resort to comments like that instead of having a conversation.

Fellaini is strong and good in the air. That's pretty much it. On top of that he elbows someone at least once per game and is lucky he isn't sent off more often for it. He doesn't read the game well, he can't tackle, he can't pass, he can't shoot...

You told me not talk about it anymore...i can't win eh!

Edit, he can't pass? he can't tackle, what are you chatting about? of course he can, alright...he's not a passer of the ball like Beckham but that doesnt mean he can't pass. And yet, Belgium who got to the semi's of the WC, he's a main starter, he must be really rubbish to be able to do that. Seriously, its really bizzare some of your views. You don't need world class in every position to challenge for the title, look at Chelsea for example, how many players are world class there? 3? 4? it's about balance and harmony with a few world class players through out the team..

 

[div0]

LVG has lost the plot, sending out one of your better midfielders on loan. Moyes must be tearing his hair out..

Keep cleverly and fletcher and send Fell out on loan.. Nutter!

I can't say that I've seen a huge amount of Fellaini since his move to Man U (or Fletcher since his return), but of the games I have seen I'd go; Fletcher >>>> Cleverly > Fellaini

I know Fletcher has had his injury problems and he's probably a long way short of his best now, but I've always thought he was underrated by a lot of fans. He used to do exactly the sort of thing Man U need just now, the dog work. Worked hard off the ball, stuck to the basics on the ball, played at a decent tempo and made space for better players to exploit.

Fellaini looks massively out of his depth. He can't play with any sort of tempo and he's nowhere near as good at receiving the ball and holding off (and not elbowing) the opposition as he had been at Everton. He looks completely out of his depth.

 

[fez]

Fellaini is strong and good in the air. That's pretty much it. On top of that he elbows someone at least once per game and is lucky he isn't sent off more often for it. He doesn't read the game well, he can't tackle, he can't pass, he can't shoot...

Yeah.... but apart from that hes a good player.

 

[Shamikebab]

Is he even good in the air? I can't remember him winning anything in the air for us offensively and barely anything defensively.

 

[Robbo]

You told me not talk about it anymore...i can't win eh!

Edit, he can't pass? he can't tackle, what are you chatting about? of course he can, alright...he's not a passer of the ball like Beckham but that doesnt mean he can't pass.

Moyes, not Fellaini. We're talking about Fellaini.

I don't think what I've said is unreasonable. He's a physical player that can be effective playing further up the pitch, but as a holding/box to box midfielder he's reckless and just not good enough I'm afraid.

As part of a two man central midfield you need to be efficient at these things and he simply isn't.

Is he even good in the air? I can't remember him winning anything in the air for us offensively and barely anything defensively.

Yeah, he's not been great at anything since he joined us, but of course that's the fans fault.

Yeah.... but apart from that hes a good player.

 

[fez]

I know Fletcher has had his injury problems and he's probably a long way short of his best now, but I've always thought he was underrated by a lot of fans. He used to do exactly the sort of thing Man U need just now, the dog work. Worked hard off the ball, stuck to the basics on the ball, played at a decent tempo and made space for better players to exploit.

Fletcher is a decent player but nothing special. He was good when our tactic was to give the ball to a couple of players and let them do the attacking but that was when we had dangerous players on the wings and in attack and the midfield was just a simple mechanism to get the ball back and move it to the attackers.

 

[The Running Man]

Yea fletcher was a breaker up of play. Nothing more. In a midfield two he has to be that and a box to box playmaker.

 

[Cold Fusion]

I would love to see Robbo's Opinion on Anderson when he gets worked up

 

[Trusty]

Yeah and we'll watch you lot all turn on LVG when the football/results are the same as last season.

 

[fez]

Our general style for a long time now has been

Strong Defence

Something goes here but we are not sure what it is

Strong Attack

We won things because we had a good defence and good attackers and we ignored the midfield. Now we have a poor defence a poor midfield and no good wingers. The team would still need work if we got Vidal, Di Maria and Rojo/Benatia.

I think Rojo or someone of his quality will be our final signing of this transfer window and we will make up some bull about there not being the players available that we wanted. Strootman will then be the sage of January and we will either get bent over for a huge fee or we won't get him.

Yeah and we'll watch you lot all turn on LVG when the football/results are the same as last season.

It took us until well after Christmas to turn on him and that was after a shocking transfer window, a regression in our football and a manager who couldn't come up with anything more than "we will try harder" and "we were unlucky and will keep trying". Most of us were not convinced that Moyes was the right man for the job from day one yet we stood by him for a lot longer than he deserved.

 

[Robbo]

yeah and we'll watch you lot all turn on LVG when the football/results are the same as last season.

I have to ask this - do you think Moyes is as good a manager as Van Gaal?

Even if things don't go well I'll be happy to give him time because he's not a small time manager and he will inevitably deliver a high quality team.

 

[Trusty]

It took us until well after Christmas to turn on him and that was after a shocking transfer window, a regression in our football and a manager who couldn't come up with anything more than "we will try harder" and "we were unlucky and will keep trying". Most of us were not convinced that Moyes was the right man for the job from day one yet we stood by him for a lot longer than he deserved.

Until Christmas? Says it all really..

I have to ask this - do you think Moyes is as good a manager as Van Gaal?

Even if things don't go well I'll be happy to give him time because he's not a small time manager and he will inevitably deliver a high quality team.

It's not about being a better manager, both have positives and negatives. Moyes hadn't been at a big club before he got the Man U job had he? Was not like he could ever dream about winning the league with Everton. LVG has obviously done some great stuff in his time, also he's a lot older.
What matters is knowing the league youre in, Moyes had that in abundance..he proved himself year after year at Everton, but obviously that's only small time to you. No wonder british up coming managers don't get a chance when fans have this obsession with foreign managers..

 

[div0]

Fletcher is a decent player but nothing special. He was good when our tactic was to give the ball to a couple of players and let them do the attacking but that was when we had dangerous players on the wings and in attack and the midfield was just a simple mechanism to get the ball back and move it to the attackers.

Definitely don't disagree with this.

But as much as his game is far from ideal in the current system, I just don't see how Fellaini or Cleverly offer anything better.

Fellaini is a potential threat if you can get him up the field, but he hasn't got the work rate to do that from CM. Man U have got far better forward players than Everton did and so he's always going to be restricted to a deeper starting point - from which he seems to offer very little.

There's no doubt that Man U need to strengthen their starting 11, but if they employ some better players, then Fletcher as a squad player if far more useful than the other two.

 

[Duff-Man]

For me, the main issue with Moyes wasn't so much the results, it was the lack of progression in the way that United played. I think if there was an obvious change in tactics - some kind of progression in quality or play style, then the fan base would have been a lot more receptive to giving him more time. By early in the new year it became clear that he was just trying the same thing over and over, despite it clearly not working.

Contrast that with Liverpool in their first season under Rodgers. They finished 7th, results weren't sparkling, but there was a clear development in the approach. There were very few people complaining about Rodgers as manager.

 

[Robbo]

Until Christmas? Says it all really..

It's not about being a better manager, both have positives and negatives. Moyes hadn't been at a big club before he got the Man U job had he? Was not like he could ever dream about winning the league with Everton. LVG has obviously done some great stuff in his time, also he's a lot older.
What matters is knowing the league youre in, Moyes had that in abundance..he proved himself year after year at Everton, but obviously that's only small time to you. No wonder british up coming managers don't get a chance when fans have this obsession with foreign managers..

All I'll say is this - when you get a new job, make a complete mess of everything throughout your probationary period and see how long you last.

Another thing, fans had pretty much no bearing on Moyes being sacked, it was the decision of the board (who have plenty of failings themselves). After the loss at Everton (his last game) - he looked a broken man, he knew he couldn't do the job. It's a shame as I genuinely wanted him to do well, but it was a poor appointment in the end.

 

[Trusty]

All I'll say is this - when you get a new job, make a complete mess of everything throughout your probationary period and see how long you last.

Do me a favour...

Another thing, fans had pretty much no bearing on Moyes being sacked, it was the decision of the board (who have plenty of failings themselves). After the loss at Everton (his last game) - he looked a broken man, he knew he couldn't do the job. It's a shame as I genuinely wanted him to do well, but it was a poor appointment in the end.

He knew he couldn't do the job? i suppose you didn't see the recent articles from Rodgers and Moyes saying he didn't get long enough? What you don't understand is, it's going to take years....just let that sink in...it takes years to change a philosophy/team. You only get 2 transfer windows per season, it's not a lot mate. It's becoming even harder it seems to get the players you want as well.

 

[Bucket]

Moyes had one simple problem: he thought Manchester United was just like Everton and he was going to go in, not change much, treat it like Everton and carry on ticking over just as if it was still Fergie in charge.

This paragraph from him sums up why he completely flopped:

‘I also went into the job thinking I want to do exactly what I did at Everton. I want to be the same person. I want to manage in the same style. Because why would I change when I had success working that way? But now, looking back, I think there might have to have been a slightly different approach. I might have altered the style in which I managed.’

He hadn't had success that way. Not the success that was needed.