*Transfer Window 2014/15 Season Rumours/Signings *AKA Man U fans listing every player under the Sun

[G|mp]

The point that just because Chelsea don't NEED to sell Hazard has no bearing on whether they actually will once you account for how much money is bid, whether Mourinho wants him around, who else they buy, likelihood of game time, desire to play for a particular club etc.

Chelsea may not need to sell him but they quite happily could if they so desire.

Slightly similarly, Southampton have no real financial need to sell Lallana or Shaw, the club is probably better off with them than with money and both are under contract but chances are both will be long gone by the end of summer...

Hallelujah!

Try explaining it to Trusty one of the days when he changes his point from post to post

 

[dannyjo22]

Real Madrid have put Liverpool striker Luis Suarez top of their list of summer transfer targets and will make a €70m (£56m) offer in a bid to trigger his contract release clause.

Source: El Confidencial

That would be an insulting offer to be honest, they won't get his buck teeth for that. 20 to low.

 

[Rich_L]

Came here to read transfer updates, sorely disappointed

Arsenal to resign Vela for £3 million? I think that'd be the first time I've actually seen a reported 'buy-back' clause being used

 

[Burned_Alive]

The new TV deal kicked in at the start of this season. The PL have just announced the exact figures each club received this season. I believe the money is paid in several instalments throughout the season however there's no doubt that clubs would have factored the extra money into their spending last summer.

Last seasons pay outs were anything between £40m and £61m. This season it's £62m to £97m.

Liverpool taking the highest figure as well, due to being shown 3 times more than anyone else. Approx £42m more than we got last season. Wonder if that'll go straight into to the transfer coffers....

 

[FrankJH]

Rooney, seemingly 5mil, though they are losing a lot of players, expect most to be replaced with people on as much or more. Unlike frank who thinks every new player in automatically comes in at a fraction of the wages of players who have been at the club for ages, Neymar, Bale, Hazard, all suggest that is bull. Bale is on pretty similar to Ronaldo and Messi, Neymar got more than Messi(one of the longest serving players currently in football at the top), Hazard gets more than Lampard/Terry, etc.
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1st stop talkimg carp

2nd Utd arent likely to be signing Baloon D'Or winners or of that ilk, so wages will also be lowrr.

3rd even some of our possible major signings like Mangala/ Carvalho are coming from deals where they are gettimg 5k - 10k a week, so they are not going to be offered 200k as a starting salary. Even Epl stars like Shaw there are reports ranging from £ 75k week - £100k a week ( former much more likely with incentives on top as per normal). £50-60k max if not far less for Portuguese/ Ligue 1 stars is immense money. FYI even reports from 2010 are saying Evra' s new deal are worth 100k / w.

If Utd do sign the likes of Kroos / Hummels / Fabregas etc then yes of course they will get huge starting saleries and big add ons but that wasnt the type of signings the discussion was about last time ( and I still highly doubt we will get any of these three)

Carry on believing the headlines that are there purely to sell papers / downloads, but dont twist my words to suit your ridiculous agenda.

 

[drunkenmaster]

Media seems to be saying Vela is up for it, but in Vela's situation I wouldn't want to come back and be completely ignored again. some people are suggesting it's more a case of buy him back for 3mil, sell him on after one or two transfer windows for his true value, which is probably 20mil +.

Griezman has been talked about as a 20-30mil buy and Vela has significantly outperformed him for each of the last 3 seasons.

I don't know, Wenger will still favour Walcott to start, wide left, Podolski though there is constant speculation about him leaving. Will Vela actually get starts up front, he should. His movement, finishing, ability and strength are all better than Giroud but will Wenger start a smaller striker and bench Giroud?

It's irksome being an Arsenal fan, with other clubs you can pretty much know when they buy it will be a player they'll trust and start. With Wenger, well it was obvious Gibbs was one of his favoured players, despite being woeful, and Monreal hasn't had any kind of real run to gain form. Gibbs was horrendous against Chelsea, he gets utterly shown up and hasn't since he joined ever looked good enough.

I think if Vela cost 15mil + Wenger would only buy him if he intended to trust him and give him lots of game time, at 3mil he can be seen as a cheap squad player. I both like Vela as a player and don't want to see him screwed again and I can't stand having better players on the bench at Arsenal and Wenger refusing to use them.

I can't really see where Wenger would intend to play him. I'd be very happy if he started instead of Giroud but I just don't think Wenger intends to do that, think he'll still pick Walcott when he's fit and I don't want to see Podolski dropped either.

Happy for Vela to play wide as well as he's just as good there, but again I think it will be at the expense of Podolski most likely, and still having to play with Giroud who is a joke.

 

[drunkenmaster]

1st stop talkimg carp

2nd Utd arent likely to be signing Baloon D'Or winners or of that ilk, so wages will also be lowrr.

3rd even some of our possible major signings like Mangala/ Carvalho are coming from deals where they are gettimg 5k - 10k a week, so they are not going to be offered 200k as a starting salary. Even Epl stars like Shaw there are reports ranging from £ 75k week - £100k a week ( former much more likely with incentives on top as per normal). £50-60k max if not far less for Portuguese/ Ligue 1 stars is immense money. FYI even reports from 2010 are saying Evra' s new deal are worth 100k / w.

If Utd do sign the likes of Kroos / Hummels / Fabregas etc then yes of course they will get huge starting saleries and big add ons but that wasnt the type of signings the discussion was about last time ( and I still highly doubt we will get any of these three)

Carry on believing the headlines that are there purely to sell papers / downloads, but dont twist my words to suit your ridiculous agenda.

So with that whole diatribe, you ended up saying, Shaw might get 100k a week as an 18year old with not much experience and that would be the same as your veteran player Evra......

but new players WON'T make the same as the old players who have been with the club for years.

You really do make it very very difficult for yourself by insisting something won't happen then actually pointing out it would.

What agenda, it is clear across ALL leagues that what you are saying is complete and utter rubbish.

You managed to ignore that Hazard a ligue one player(who apparently would be happy on 60k a week and beg to sign for that) signed for Chelsea on a higher wage than Chelsea's best and most important player over the past decade.

So a young Hazard joining Chelsea got more money than the guy who had been there for a decade, yet you insist, with zero proof or examples, that experienced players who have been with the club a long time get paid significantly more than new players.

Which players are you basing this myth on? It DOES NOT MATTER what wages a player is on where ever they are playing, when they sign with Utd, they have an experienced agent who knows how much Utd can afford in wages. The same way Chelsea may wanted to have given Hazard 60k a week and give him a 20k raise every 2-3 years, but in fact ended up handing him 160k a week straight off, because Hazard's agent knew precisely what they could afford to pay.

Who exactly do you think out of the names being listed with Utd currently, Hummels, Shaw(with by your own suggestion, pay parity with a current senior player in the same position), Kroos, Carvalho, etc. none of these are unknowns, there is demand for all of them.

The simple fact is every agent in Europe knows what Evra is on, and every agent/club/player Utd contact about filling that position knows how much they currently spend on that position.

You're giving... 85k a week to Welbeck. A similar player of exceptionally limited talent, with almost no demand from any other clubs got paid... what you expect a back up striker to get paid at Utd, nothing else. He IS NOT worth that, he's pretty rubbish, he got paid almost as much as Vidic/Evra in his first proper contract since being something more than a bit part player.

You're living in a complete fantasy land if you think that if you buy an Evra replacement, they will sign for a similar wage to what Evra started on when he joined. This is not how any clubs in the league operate.

 

[MarcLister]

Is there a thread for 2014/15 kits or do we talk about them in here? I don't understand why there have been so few, and almost none recently, leaked designs for Man Utd's new shirts with the Chevrolet logo.

Also will Nike get the new deal or are Adidas going to get it?

 

[fez]

Are you really saying people like Mangala and Carvalho will be on ~£60k/week if they're signed?!

I imagine that there really is no hard and fast rule. The selling club probably couldn't care less if he gets £100k or 50k per week.

If one club offers more for a player and will up his wages they will probably get him.

If there is a choice between slightly more wages at a smaller club and less at a larger one, they may choose the bigger club.

I can't think that there is much relevance to what other players in the squad are on at all. Every players situation is different and their wages reflect that.

You would be a **** agent if you told a player to stay at his current club when United come knocking and don't offer you the same as the guy you are replacing. "No mate, its best you stay at your current club and earn £30k a week rather than get a big payrise but still get paid less than player x at Man Utd".

If a host of clubs are after a player and are all willing to pay the players current club the same then he can decide where he wants to go based on wages if thats what he wants.

 

[twist3d0n3]

writing manyoo makes you about as interesting as toilet paper.

grow up champ

 

[BaZ87]

He was **** tonight but the Liverpool Echo are reporting that we've made Alberto Moreno our number 1 LB target this summer which is pretty exciting.

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/spor...7122348?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

If we could get him and improve the strength in depth of the rest of our side, we'll have had a very good summer. LB is the one area where we're dire.

edit: Tony Barrett's reporting in the Times that we're looking for a dominant CB and also a young holding midfielder. I hope all this is true. For the first transfer window in a long time it looks like we're actually trying to get the player we need.

For me there are only one of two departures, aspas is gone with Borini coming back as his replacement and Johnson if we get some good money for him, 100k a week and the fact he has been average to rubbish for most of the season means he is the most likely to go....

All tomorrow's papers are reporting that there could be a pretty big clear out in the summer with the futures of 12-15 players being uncertain including both Lucas and Agger.

I suppose it sounds more dramatic than it is when you consider that those 12-15 players include the likes of Moses and Cissokho who are on loan and loaned out players like Coates, Borini, Reina, Assaidi and (unfortunately) Suso.

 

[Pigeon_Killer]

I'd guess Rafa will take a few of our players with Reina and Lucas being the most likely, Assaidi has been linked with Stoke but other than that I can only see us shifting Borini and possibly one of Agger/Skrtel for much money. Wouldn't put it past Rafa bidding on one of those as well, Napoli certainly need a few defensive players in the summer.

Reina, Lucas, Agger, Skrtel > Napoli
Coates > Nacional
Cissokho > End of Loan
Kelly > Knackers Yard
Assadi > Stoke
Alberto > Spain
Suso > Spain
Moses > End of Load
Aspas > Spain
Borini > ?

Not sure what'll happen with the likes of Coady, Robinson and Wisdom but none of them can be considered young now and if they haven't made it yet I don't see much point in keeping them. Anyone know how they performed for their clubs in the Championship?

 

[BaZ87]

I can't see Rafa wanting Lucas or Agger any longer to be honest. Injuries have ruined Lucas and Agger's really lost his way. There's a chance Skrtel may go but I think it'll take a reasonably large bid for that to happen and I'm not sure one will be coming.

Suso and Borini are interesting ones. I'd hope Suso would be given another year and it's possible Borini might be useful as a squad player but the rest of the players listed will go if we can get shot of them.

Coady's not up to it and will either be released or loaned out again. Robinson's been a huge let down, he was 10x the player Flanagan was 3 years ago but has gone backwards. I think Wisdom might stay though.

 

[dmcg]

arsenal want benzema for 30m after the cl final guess that would start the suarez move

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...ve-for-Real-Madrid-striker-Karim-Benzema.html

 

[omnomnom]

Probably not. Suarez has said he's staying and there's no clause. Unless Madrid can stump up some serious cash it isn't happening. I'd argue as well that if anything Madrid should offer Benzema to Liverpool if they want Suarez...plus money of course.

A 60mil bid plus Benzema would certainly be something for LFC and Rodgers to consider.


Would be happy with Moreno at lb if we can get him, would like Rakitic as well but I could see us being priced out there.

Brendan wants a young midfielder... Will Hughes?

 

[Newbie007]

Do people really think we're going to get rid of 10+ players? We would have to bring a massive number of players in to counter act not only the outgoings but also the fact the squad needs bulking up with quaility anyway.

The players looked ****ed in May this season and that was playing a significant number less than we will be next season. No way will it happen.

 

[Caseh]

Not sure what'll happen with the likes of Coady, Robinson and Wisdom but none of them can be considered young now and if they haven't made it yet I don't see much point in keeping them. Anyone know how they performed for their clubs in the Championship?

Coady was in League 1 with Sheff Utd.. and he was absolutely awful! Dreadful. (Please tell Rodgers this so he lets us have him!)

Seriously though, he was immense for us, but I really don't see him having a future at Liverpool.

 

[Newbie007]

Wisdom but none of them can be considered young now and if they haven't made it yet I don't see much point in keeping them. Anyone know how they performed for their clubs in the Championship?

Played really well for Derby (21 is also very young for a defender). Given how poor Johnson was last term, I would prefer Andre back tbh

 

[FrankJH]

This is not how any clubs in the league operate.

And no company gives away the profits straight away either (unless you are AW at Arsenal and continually sign players on huge wages - because they continually fail to win major prizes, either with or without the FA Cup coming up)

FYI Hazard was also a huge signing two summers ago - certainly one of the most expensive that summer in England. Utd backed out......because he was becoming too expensive (and rumour has it didnt want to be forced into signing his brother either).....but of course carry on insisting it was for some other reason.

Maybe after 9 years of failure Utd may HAVE to sign EVERYONE on huge wages, but Utd arent there yet.

No - everyone doesnt know for sure what any single player gets. There are just media headlines etc (which also range drastically for most deals announced) which quite a lot of the time include transfer fees, wages, agent fees , bonuses etc etc.

If /When Shaw (or who ever ) signs for Utd - I challange you to actually get PROOF (not media speculation) on what he will be paid.

I can bet right now, you wont be able to


edit for the most part (ie a free transfer or a few unusual cases) - high transfer fee for the time in question = more than likely high weekly wages).

For England two seasons ago Hazard was a huge transfer fee, this summer (if) Shaw does move whereever for ~ £30m that is much more likely to be a pretty average transfer fee (excluding his age and nationality which is inflating it somewhat), so while the wages will be a nice big increase for him, he will be getting £100k+ a week like you keep on insisting

 

[manic111]

Played really well for Derby (21 is also very young for a defender). Given how poor Johnson was last term, I would prefer Andre back tbh

Was he playing RB or CB for them? In Rodgers' formation with the full backs flying forward, I'm not sure he'll be brilliant there. He's got all the makings of a good CB though.