Still a pretty good chance it would have happened
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Still a pretty good chance it would have happened
I guess you are right seeing as City had Mancini who couldn't keep the dressing room quiet & Chelsea had a manager whose fans were on his back from day one.
I feel if there wasn't so many problems within those teams last year they would have performed so much better & the league would have been a lot closer too. But whats done is done. I don't think UTD would have been fighting for the league this season Moyes or not.
How much did Fergie's disasterous transfers cost the club (and there were plenty) - Im not knocking SAF, but if he can make big mistakes then no one should really knock Moyes for chasing a player he knows well and thought would work .
Actually only a full season "pay off" of £4m (£5m/season was his salary while in CL positions)
What Utd "lost" from not getting top four is meant to be ~£3.5m (or £1.2m a place) and there is no gaurentee that any other manager chosen 1st time would have got that place anyway.
Seeing as Evra and Vidic (both reknowned for being vocal in the dressing room and highly experienced players, even withuot the other less experienced also saying the same) have both come out and said the players where a lot to blame for the results, its harsh to blame 60% on Moyes. The squad itself was weaker than a lot of Utd's natural rivals (especially when one had no european matches at all and the travel that goes with it) , and deficiencies where evident for years before Moyes came along.
"...but you do have to get in the top four after having won the season before" - absolutely no god given right to do or expect this especially with the deficencies in the squad that most fans have been moaning about for years. Without RvP last year Utd would have been lucky to get top four - so its hardly surprising given his injury hit season and in some cases just lack of any interest when he has played that Utd sunk to 7th (not only his attitude problems, but its easy to see with him not being available for long stretches this season why even 7th was a challange to keep).
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Regardless of those teams, United lost to each of them once that year, in their last 5/6 games they dropped points like crazy as the league was done and still finished on 89 points, United would still have had a very very good chance at winning the league that year with a better City and Chelsea
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Which one of this years top 4 do you think you'll be able to replace?
As not only do Man.U. have to improve significantly the very good teams above them have to get a lot worse and considering they are all going to improve their squads too I think you're going to struggle.
Not strictly true
Just from improving the results vs the bottom 5 clubs this season (admittedly three will be different clubs) Utd can get the points to be above Everton - even if they get the same points as this season
Edit I worked this stat out just after the Sunderland match in May when they were still bottom 5
So even without directly changing the results vs the 6 teams above Utd now, Utd can be challanging for the top 4
(edit 13 points lost vs bottom 12 clubs alone) now obviously football being the way it is maybe not all those points will be gained but its a fair target without even including some of the narrower losses /draws that could be won above 12th
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Caporegime
Liverpool have been lucky with injuries and form so they may not be the same force as this season. Arsenal wouldn't be hard to displace either.
We have under performed massively this season so with a few good signings I don't think we even need to have an amazing season to do it.
Man of Honour
You're assuming that all the clubs above you won't improve against the bottom clubs either then.
Liverpool finished 20 points above Man.U. that's an incredible gap to try to make up.
Arsenal 'always' make the top 4 they were 15 points above you, again that's a massive deficit.
There's no 2 ways about it, it's a massive ask for Man.U. to get back in the top 4 next season.
And they well be maximized already on some / a lot of those results......(or the corresponding features in reference to bottom 3)
Liverpool will also have at least 6 extra CL matches next season (and therefore make the EPL fixtures before and after possibly that much more difficult)
Arsenal "always" made the top four - but this season is the 1st where there have realistically been 5 challengers. The great start they made this season, may not come off again and conversely the horrible first handful of fixtures for Utd from this season (Chelsea, City and Liverpool all in the first 5 games - two of which where away) may work for Utd to get a bit of a run going. Even ignoring the LC Liverpool game straight after (still arch rival even if its only LC).
Caporegime
Have there been many extended layoffs for Suarez, Sturridge, Gerrard, Coutinho and Sterling this season?
Man of Honour
Suarez missed a few at the start of the season if I'm not mistaken due to his odd dietary habits and Sturridge missed a few later on due to a hamstring or something.
Caporegime
Newbie007 seems to think that Liverpool have had an average to alright season and that we have performed alright too.
Liverpool have had a great season and we have had a god awful one. One season does not a good or bad team make.
There you go.
http://injuryleague.com/2014/05/liverpool-percentage-of-season-missed-by-players-through-injury/
How many times did we play our 'strongest' 11? Barely 5 times would be my guess
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Well Chelsea aren't maximized that's for sure and unless you're still assuming then you must know how the rest got on v the bottom 5.
It could also be argued we won't get shafted by referees in two of the largest games of the season during the most busy period.
Suarez - yes (Start of year)
Studge - yes, twice (Christmas/end of year)
Gerrard - yes (Christmas)
Coutinho - yes (Start of year, should injury from an awful challenge from Ashley Williams)
Johnson - Couple of months out
Sakho - Lengthy time out
Enrique - Gone pretty much all year
Allen - Injured at the end of Christmas
Lucas - Injured several times throughout the year
Can't recall if Agger has been out, Kolo went out during his actual good run of form during a league cup match in extra time at the start of the year.
EDIT: Alright Newbie posted some site that is slightly better
Caporegime
As you can see from the link Newbie posted, you have not been hit by injuries that badly.
Your star striker has been there almost the entire season. Look at the rankings of clubs and injuries.
You also haven't played in Europe this season which will take its toll on the squad performance and injury list.
United missed RvP for 45% of the season and Rooney for 25% of the season compared to Liverpools main strikers Sturridge 28% and Suarez 3%.
Your star striker has been there almost the entire season. Look at the rankings of clubs and injuries.
You also haven't played in Europe this season which will take its toll on the squad performance and injury list.
United missed RvP for 45% of the season and Rooney for 25% of the season compared to Liverpools main strikers Sturridge 28% and Suarez 3%.
Next season you will still have the same injury prone strikers and Suarez will still be indestructible. In 3.5 seasons he's not missed a game through injury despite having lumps kicked out of him every game.
The amount of injuries we have had relative to the size of our squad is quite significant.
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