First of all, Zethor, you take my comment out of context, it was a point about you guys taking official statements that you like as facts and official statements as you don't like as false. It was a comment about hypocrisy and indeed my comment was correct.
Your comment was correct in the sense that yes, the Russians were claiming at the time that they had nothing to do with the heavily armed men deployed all over Crimeea. But the Russians were lying, a fact that was obvious to anyone, except a few, including yourself. You were too busy being 'unbiased' and dismissing the Western Media.
Now onto troops in Crimea, Russia soldiers have been deployed in Crimea for hundreds of years and for all 23 years that Ukraine has had it's independence.
No, for 23 years, they were lawfully deployed
within their military base. They were then unlawfully deployed across Crimeea, as everyone saw for themselves and as admitted by the man himself. Deploying troops on the territory of another country without consulting it = invasion. That's what me, that's what scorza and that's what others were saying. And it is what you and others were disputing. You can't weasel out of this one.
As for yourself Zethor, were you not the one who linked *opinion* piece that was widely discredited as biased propaganda? Yes, yes it was you.
Yes, Forbes is biased, they didn't include the margins of error but that's not the bloody point. The officials numbers were what? 90% turnout, 90% to join Russia? These are laughable, North Korea style numbers and the poll which Forbes refered to is just a tiny piece of evidence added to the mountain of evidence that shows the Crimeean referedum was a charade. Do you believe it was valid? Yes or no?
Well I am experience enough to know that all media has bias and sometimes flat out lies. You are just young enough not to know this yet even though in this conflict we had NYT flat out lie then retract their statement and confirm reality that they are no evidence of Russia forces involvement in the East of Ukraine.
We have also BBC progress from: no nationalists at maidan to some nationalists but minority to when Kiev interim government killed one of Right sector leader BBC made an article saying Right sector numbers are "sizeable" and "played key role in ceasing power".
Oh so because the NYT or the BBC made mistakes (or lied) the Western Media is biased. You're an expert in fallacies, can you identify this one or shall I do it for you?
Most of the major news outlets in the Western Media did they job properly - as expected from them. Mistakes happen but, as you said yourself, they correct themselves when they are able to. When has the Russia Media corrected itself? Do you want me to quote what you said about "both sides spreading propaganda", thereby creating an equivalence between the Western Media and the Russia Media?
Both the NYT and the BBC (along with most other important media outlets in the West) are reliable sources of information. They aren't perfect but they're better than anything else and they're millions of light years head of the Russian Media.
Also to further highlight your ignorance, Zethor, I do not read RT, never have, didn't feel the need to, so it's always hilarious to me when people accuse me of being putinist or say "stop reading rt" as it really highlights their ignorance.
Wait but you said both sides are spreading propaganda. Does that mean you automatically assume anything from RT is propaganda, without even reading it? How unbiased of you.
This is going to put Zethor and Scorza our famous conspiracy theorists that think Russia wants to take over eastern ukraine out of business now won't it.
When did I claim that?
