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Yes but the sea sparrows have what a range of 10 miles? This was done at long range as they are using standoff weapons e.g. glide bombs. Bet my savings whatever it was is what brought down their AWACS last month.
 
Grim5 said:
Apart from missile failure, the other aspect that we won't know about is will the warhead actually go off.

Nuclear warheads require a lot of maintenance and proper storage conditions, its not something you can stick in a cupboard and pull it out 20 years later and expect it to work and a warhead that's stored in the wrong conditions could go from working to harmless in like 1 or 2 years, it can happen quite fast.

So even if these missiles were flawless, we won't know which country's have not being maintaining their warheads until the day comes to use it
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I spent 7 years working in this area and have first hand knowledge and experience. We spend a lot of time and money maintaining our warheads.
 
Freddie1980 said:
Out of interest when you say 'spent a lot of money's was that in man hours, equipment or money spent on replacing perishable items?
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All of the above. The whole purpose of the site is to support the Nuclear Deterrent, which revolves around the warheads. It is all specialist skills, tooling and materials.
 
The Russians might be incompetent but…

www.bbc.co.uk

Trident missile test fails for second time in a row

The UK's nuclear deterrent failed to fire a test missile reportedly landing close to the launch site.
www.bbc.co.uk

This is on top of the carrier problems earlier in the year.

Time to get the chequebook out. You cannot defend on the cheap.
 
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Stretch said:
The Russians might be incompetent but…

www.bbc.co.uk

Trident missile test fails for second time in a row

The UK's nuclear deterrent failed to fire a test missile reportedly landing close to the launch site.
www.bbc.co.uk

This is on top of the carrier problems earlier in the year.

Time to get the chequebook out. You cannot defend on the cheap.
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Best ask their mates to give back the £9 Billion handed out for useless PPE
 
Jester* said:
All of the above. The whole purpose of the site is to support the Nuclear Deterrent, which revolves around the warheads. It is all specialist skills, tooling and materials.
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Do they ever test detonate a nuclear warhead? I don't know much about the subject, probably easier for me to read up but, I assume when they designed trident the warheads were aso designed for the missile or were they from an earlier design... Lots of questions. All a bit macabre a discussion probably:p
 
delta0 said:
It’s also worth noting as the article mentions there have been 190 successful tests of the system. I’m sure there will be some quick action to identify the issue on this one though.
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Second time in a row that a test fire has failed from one of our boats though - and I expect people said the same thing back in 2016 when they covered up the failure (although it sounds like that failure mode was different so they may well have solved whatever problem caused that)...

190 successful tests is all well and good, but most of those were some time ago, and the royal navy hasn't had a successful test since 2012 now which is a long time ago. Also seems unclear whether that was a test of a life extended version or an original...


In a statement the Ministry of Defence admitted an anomaly had occurred in the most recent launch. But it also said that HMS Vanguard and its crew had been "proven fully capable" in their operations and the test had "reaffirmed the effectiveness of the UK's nuclear deterrent".
The statement added that Trident was the "most reliable weapons system in the world" having completed more than 190 successful tests.
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I know public statements aren't going to go into detail on topics like this, but this is a bad look and gives zero confidence - it reads like a face saving lie rather than a commitment to actually getting to the bottom of things.
 
Efour said:
Do they ever test detonate a nuclear warhead? I don't know much about the subject, probably easier for me to read up but, I assume when they designed trident the warheads were aso designed for the missile or were they from an earlier design... Lots of questions. All a bit macabre a discussion probably:p
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No, the CTBT (Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty) stopped that. Only India and Pakistan have tested since, their argument was the tests were in place when the ban came into force. The other was North Korea who just do it anyway.

The PTBT or Partial Test Ban Treaty has been in effect since 1963 and banned testing of warheads in the atmosphere, in space and underwater.
 
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Efour said:
Do they ever test detonate a nuclear warhead? I don't know much about the subject, probably easier for me to read up but, I assume when they designed trident the warheads were aso designed for the missile or were they from an earlier design... Lots of questions. All a bit macabre a discussion probably:p
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Over 2100 nuclear warheads have been detonated in tests.
 
Efour said:
I assume when they designed trident the warheads were aso designed for the missile or were they from an earlier design...
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The UK is rumoured to use its own warhead on Trident despite the actual missile being made by Lockheed Martin. The also uk claims that the warhead is designed and made in house by us, (the actual info is top secret obviously) but it's rumoured to be so close to a US designed warhead that it's practically the same.

If the missile failed to launch (in this case it flew out of the sub, but the 1st stage booster didn't ignite, so it just flopped into the sea) then it'll be a problem for Lockheed to solve I imagine...
 
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Efour said:
Do they ever test detonate a nuclear warhead? I don't know much about the subject, probably easier for me to read up but, I assume when they designed trident the warheads were aso designed for the missile or were they from an earlier design... Lots of questions. All a bit macabre a discussion probably:p
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No we haven't test detonated a warhead since before the CTBT (Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty - 1996). To my current knowledge, I haven't worked in the industry for about 12 years now, but have plenty of ex colleagues I regularly communicate with.

The Trident missile is the carrier and the warheads are a British design, and maintained by us. The theory behind it all hasn't changed, and with all the data and information from previous live tests it can all be modelled and predicted. Advances in test equipment, i.e lasers help.
 
Today the spokesperson for India's ruling party says they are sticking with Russia and will be Russia's friend. They say they reject the West's condemnation of India because Europe is friends with China and they are the same as Russia, and Europe wants to stick with China then India will stick with Russia
 
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