Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-27118875

So it seems like a local politician from the same party as the Ukrainian President, and another man, have been found "tortured to death" in eastern Ukraine. Sheesh.

Or maybe this is just an excuse to start millitary operation?

You know, "Saddam has Chemical Weapons, lets bomb him for it" Style??

No?

Yeah, lets get tin-foil hats out. :rolleyes:
 
Are the Russian soldiers who were spotted in the pictures American spies too? Did the CIA plant them?

Were the Chemical Weapons in Iraq planted by CIA?

No, they didn't exist from the beginning, did we see pictures of them and "mobile chemical wagons" in the media and used as evidence by Colin Powell in UN?? Yeah... Did they exist? No...

Did Saddam allow access for UN inspectors to visit the "Chemical Weapon Plants" Yes, did they find anything? No. They said it would be physically impossible to produce anything of the kind in those conditions.

Did that change anything? No. Powell went on with his speeches showing pictures of Chemical Weapon Factories in Iraq while UN visited them the other day :rolleyes:

After all that, I guess you have to be extremely gullible to believe anything in that picture.
 
What's this got to do with Ukraine? If you want to discuss conspiracy theories then why not talk about the 1999 Russian Appartment Bombings which are much more relevant to the topic at hand.

Conspiracy Theory??? This isnt a conspiracy theory, this is a fact already :rolleyes: It has been openly admitted by politicians and there is overwhelming evidence that Saddam did not have Chemical Weapons.

UN has also released statements that they have failed to find ANY traces of "alleged" Chemical Weapons.

1999 bombings are relevant to 9/11, if you believe 99 bombings were inside job, then the 9/11 was one too... I mean lets be honest they are way too similar arent they.

I guess normal reader would find relevance in the post I made to Ukraine, but just for you Scorza :rolleyes:

Why should we believe authenticity of a picture released from the west, when the west has been known to create evidence for Chemical Weapons out of thin air and still provided case for it when official UN envoy stated that its all ********.
 
What in that link are you skeptical about?

If you havent grasped the concept yet,

People are very skeptical of everything the USA says on foreign politics, they have been caught lying red handed so many times...

The 2 leaks and wikileaks have completely destroyed peoples trust for USA (well apart from you Scorza:rolleyes:)

They also have been found manipulating mass media to play into their own hands, we have proof that Bush called Murdoch personally to seek support in the media for the Invasion, this isnt a Conspiracy theory, those are facts mostly opened by wiki-leaks.

We also remember the 2008 Georgia-Russian war, where media went crazy portraying Russia as invasion force, some time later... Official EU convoy which collected evidence has concluded that Georgia has attacked and provoked Russia first...

NATO knew that Georgia has attacked first and provoked Russia, they ignored that completely and blamed Russia for "randomly" starting an aggression against this poor little country for no reason.
 
scorza;26198003 Personally I'd rather be living in Libya than Syria at this moment.[/QUOTE said:
Well yeah, Libya has population around x4 smaller than Syria... It is also has biggest Oil reserves in Africa :D While Syria, uhhh... Has nothing?

But you carry on Scorza.... Since we went into Libya they turned from 3rd world into 1st. Yep. Dont mind that pretty much they killing each-other there and its a humanitarian crisis.... The only things protected are the Oil plants :D

Also dont mind that Libya was way better off under Geddafi than in last couple years, again read UN official report on Libya. Its all going good, Shell and Chevron are pumping Libyan Oil this moment, obviously our interventation has nothing to do with Geddaffi planning to kick out all foreign Oil miners and wanting to trade in Euros instead of Dollars... (tin foil hat)

Btw, another interesting fact... Did you know that UN agreed resolution to just close the Libyan air-space?? Bombing Libya was not agreed in UN and US stated that they were only going to close the air-space preventing Geddafi bombing civilians?? Oh well.... we just thought since planes are in the air why not bomb the poo out of everything??? Might as well throw some tomahawks too... Who cares about UN anyway.
 
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Oh boy. In case you missed it, there's a new regime in Washington now, has been for almost 6 years now. I'm disappointed to have to point out for the umpteenth time that the EU report found that both sides were responsible for the war and that the Georgian shelling of South Ossetia was the culmination of months of "provocations, mutual accusations, military and political threats and acts of violence both inside and outside the conflict zone".

http://www.ceiig.ch/pdf/IIFFMCG_Volume_I.pdf (Page 31)



I also note that you've neatly avoided commentating on the Russian Apartment Bombings, which turned out to be pretty key to Putin coming to power in Russia.


On the other hand, the offensive that started on 7 August, even if it were deemed necessary, was not proportionate to the only permissible aim, the defence against the on-going attacks from South Ossetia.

the use of force by Georgia against Russian peacekeeping forces in Tskhinvali in the night of 7/8 August 2008 would be contrary to international law". The report said that "if the Russian peacekeepers were attacked," then "the immediate [Russian] reaction in defense of Russian peacekeepers" would be justified, as "Russia had the right to defend its peacekeepers

Basically Scorza, your argument is invalid about this document :D More-over we have to factor in that this is EU report, which at the time of war openly supported Georgia.

About 99 bombings... I dont like to go into conspiracy territory, I operate on things which have overwhelming proof. But as I said Scorza, maybe you have missed it... If you ADMIT that 99 bombings were inside job, you have to consider that 9/11 was inside job too. As I already said, they are very similar.

Scorza you are so desperate, all you are doing is poking my nose at Putins 99 alleged bombings :D Which resulted in 2nd Chechen War, fair enough if there was no 9/11 which resulted in Afghan war.... Oh Sorry, Only Putin and Russia are capable of such atrocities in your mind right?

9/11 conspiracy nut job theory, 99 apartment bombings proven fact, well its Scorza after all...


Shall we measure our proof "penises" on 99 bombings and 9/11 being inside job then?? Or you not going to bother ;)
 
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“The Security Council strongly condemns the killing of unarmed
protestors in Tripoli on 15 November and emphasizes that all parties must
reject violence against civilians and respect the right of all Libyans to peaceful
assembly

The Security Council condemns cases of torture and mistreatment, and
deaths by torture, in illegal detention centres in Libya.


Raining Democracy in Libya as of now... Remember when we were shown footage on horrible Geddaffi prisons where tortures were carried out? Yeah, It is a lot better now.... It was all worth it.


http://www.securitycouncilreport.or...27-4E9C-8CD3-CF6E4FF96FF9}/s_prst_2013_21.pdf


Scorza about Oil and your alleged "conspiracy theories and lack of evidence"

Noting the letter of 10 March 2014 from the Libyan Government to the
President of the Security Council and expressing concern that the illicit export of
crude oil from Libya undermines the Government of Libya and poses a threat to the
peace, security and stability of Libya,

http://www.securitycouncilreport.org/atf/cf/{65BFCF9B-6D27-4E9C-8CD3-CF6E4FF96FF9}/s_res_2146.pdf


So we have Oil being mined in Libya, and exported without paying any sort of taxes or fees for the wells.... Interesting huh?
 
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i wonder what defcon nato are at right now? 3?

Are you serious? It would be at 0 if it could be.

We dont give a damn about Ukraine, its a pawn game. Media just blows it out of proportion to sell news.

Ukraine government just dug itself a grave. What do you expect would happen if Pro-Russia protesters have been officially called terrorists and currently being killed?

If Putin does not invade, he will get Lynched in Russia.
 
Wow, talking about Hysteria.... Calm down, the only reason the WW3 would start is if we continue to dig in Russia`s backyard, its a bear who feels like he is imprisoned and day by day the cell is closing in...

Sooner or later it will go HAM at the point it realises it has nothing more to lose. Now that is dangerous. NATO will not go to nuclear war over Ukraine, dont be stupid.
 
Do you think the soviet commanders all got lynched when their bluff got called over cuba? :rolleyes: Of course not, they just pulled back and blamed the west on double standards.

I guess you never studied Cuban Missile crisis? It was a Soviet Victory with Kennedy remarkably using media to make it out as he won it.

Soviets from the beginning wanted removal of Missiles in Turkey, which was done in exchange for removal of Cuban Missiles. However, Kennedy kept quiet and made it out in the media as if he scared Soviets with destruction and they ran away :rolleyes:

Why was it an American failure? Because Soviets managed to sneak in massive nuclear missiles into Cuba, 150 miles away from Florida, nearly deploy them and all this went unnoticed for most of the time.

They also managed to shoot down U-2, a plane Americans thought would be impossible to detect or to shoot down due to high altitude.
 
Uh huh. Talk to my mrs and her family. They're Polish and remember well what it was like under communist rule. No food in the shops, electricity blackouts that lasted weeks or months, rationing of meat, milk, eggs etc.

Sounds joyful.

Well, when I walk past advertisement posters here which say "1 in 4 children today faces starvation"

I thought this was about some Africa poster, but nope... Good old America.

This is 2014 mind you in the richest country in the world....

A country where not long ago Hospitals could refuse treatment of you unless you had means to pay, still is allowed in some States (probably southern).

What I am trying to say, I could paint you a picture of 2014 USA that would look a lot worse than 1980 under Iron Curtain, I can show you pictures of families sleeping in downtown on "Rolex" and "Cartier" porches, begging for food.

In the very least, in Soviet Union chances of you being left on street,hungry, without medical treatment were a lot less in 1970 than in 2014 USA.

You talk about Iron Curtain, but ask how many Americans actually have a Passport or left USA :D

I am not saying that Soviet Union was a good place to live, it definitely wasn't... But you have to accept some of its benefits and cant just say it was all bad and its sooo much better in the west now.
 
I love this bit from the article:



Except of course for when two Tu-160 Blackjack supersonic nuclear bombers made a mock attack run on Hull and the RAF never saw them until after they had turned for home :P

But they never entered UK airspace... Not that they needed to, their nuclear missile has long enough range to be launched outside UK airspace.
 
That's the weird thing, the tu-95's are big, badass, and slow and outdated surely, its not really them that worry me its a bit like taunting lol, its the heaps of tu-22's and tu-160's that worry me more. Do not the number of tu-22's outnumber most western airforces combined!.

Tu-22? what are you on about... There was only 311 built and its 60`s technology... Its useless.
 
The only thing we should be afraid is their ICBMS and SLMBS.... Everything else, including Air-Force is rather pathetic in Russia, but it is enough to deal with pretty much any country which does not possess nuclear weapons.

As Obama said, which Scorza boasted about quite few pages ago.

Russia is just a regional power, that can land a nuclear warhead in Manhattan within next 5 minutes.... Obviously Scorza forgot the 2nd part.... but its Scorza after all...
 
https://news.vice.com/articles/i-ha...-in-sloviansk?trk_source=homepage-in-the-news

Interesting report from the Vice reporter who was abducted in eastern Ukraine. For all the fear of Right Sector in pro-Russian communities, it sounds like the thugs who have taken control of several eastern Ukrainian cities are just as bad if not worse.

What is more interesting is that Ukraine has cut off all Water supplies to Crimea... Since they consider Crimea part of Ukraine, essentially they are trying to kill their own people.

I am sure this is good enough for NATO intervention, since the government is trying to kill their own people... We have seen it in Libya, time do to it in Ukraine.
 
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