Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

[Sankari]

War-weary Ukrainians endure as Russia's invasion drags on

Two years into Russia's full-scale invasion, Ukrainians carry deep wounds from the fight.

www.bbc.co.uk

Tragic waste of life for one evil man goals

They can't last another year unless we step up. I am utterly ashamed by the failure of the West to support our fellow Europeans.

 

[Ayahuasca]

I'll be honest, I've not been keeping up to date with it as it was depressing to follow.

If Ukraine can't last another year without a step up in support, are we talking about a situation where Putin takes the whole country or?

 

[Mr Badger]

I know Brexit pain seems to run deep into some people's psyche. But I think you're misunderstanding the difference between not wanting to head down a path where UK forces operate under the direct command of an EU superstate, and working in combined operations with our NATO allies as we do now.

Thank you for so quickly demonstrating my point. 8 years on from the Brexit vote is there any proof of an army operating "under the direct command of an EU superstate"? In light of Trump's repeated threats about NATO, is continuing to rely expressly on US support such a good idea, rather than also coordinating with our NATO allies on a local basis to act as a joint deterrent and (if necessary) actually take action to defend Europe?

 

[Sankari]

I'll be honest, I've not been keeping up to date with it as it was depressing to follow.

If Ukraine can't last another year without a step up in support, are we talking about a situation where Putin takes the whole country or?

I think Putin would love to take the whole country, but it's too much even for him to bite off. We saw what happened when he tried to seize Kyiv in 3 days.

He'll likely settle for Crimea, Donbas, and at least one more region in the east.

 

[Mr Joshua]

I was reading something a while back that made the point that IIRC most of the better/regulation modern life rafts actually have to have a mylar foil sewn or glued in places to give them a radar signature that radar has a better chance of picking up, apparently early ones and some of the cheaper ones that don't meet proper modern standards don't, meaning there is effectively no radar signature as the materials they are otherwise made off don't give anything for the signal to bounce off.

Watching that video it made it very clear why finding a person float in the sea is so hard too so that's all completely understandable.

 

[VincentHanna]

Its funny I know loads of people who have stated that Germany shouldnt even be allowed a military after starting two world wars.
Typically older people who saw (like my grandparents) or indirectly saw the consequences of the war (WW2) however, (eg many at my local C&UP club.)

And don't forget that after reunification in 1990 they were forced to reduce their military numbers and equipment due to a treaty.

 

[arknor]

since they are running our of men why doesn't the UK start deporting fighting age wealthy Ukrainians, the ones who came to France in brand new Mercedes to claim asylum

 

[Sankari]

But I think you're misunderstanding the difference between not wanting to head down a path where UK forces operate under the direct command of an EU superstate

It's precisely this kind of ignorance that made Brexit possible.

 

[Mercenary Keyboard Warrior]

since they are running our of men why doesn't the UK start deporting fighting age wealthy Ukrainians, the ones who came to France in brand new Mercedes to claim asylum

Genuine question. Did this actually happen?

 

[Bug One]

Knew the B word would get a few out of control and off topic. Save the froth for the corresponding thread.

 

[arknor]

Genuine question. Did this actually happen?

yea all the wealthy escaped Ukraine at the start and heading to countries like ours offering asylum

Ukrainians driving luxury cars can hardly be viewed as refugees, Austrian lawmaker says

However, the Austrian MEP stressed that "no one has anything against" the arrival of internally displaced persons and those who are truly in need, namely "the elderly, women and the sick"

tass.com

asutria but still

"We all can see them driving Maybach, [Audi] Q7 and Q8, and Mercedes G-class cars around Vienna. When I see such cars, with prices starting from 250,000 euros, I come to think that these are not common people in need of protection," Vilimsky told the Heute newspaper, commenting on the presence of Ukrainian refugees in Austria.

Poland

Affluent Ukrainian refugees boost Polish luxury businesses

Most fleeing war arrived in dire circumstances but some of the better off are helping companies weather the downturn

www.ft.com

I can't quickly find any UK stuff, but I remember at the time the journalists were talking about the lines of brand new cars in France waiting to claim asylum in the UK.

I think one of the articles in one of the news papers was some woman complaining about her Ukrainian guests who weren't poor and had expensive bags etc

 

[Mercenary Keyboard Warrior]

yea all the wealthy escaped Ukraine at the start and heading to countries like ours offering asylum

Did we offer asylum? I don't think we did.

We offered Ukrainian refugees a temporary sponsorship from my recollection, which is very much NOT asylum.

Edit, I assume should the Ukrainian government formally request some of the documented Ukrainian nationals that are here be returned we would oblige.
They should all be documented under the scheme I believe.

 

[jigger]

I'll be honest, I've not been keeping up to date with it as it was depressing to follow.

If Ukraine can't last another year without a step up in support, are we talking about a situation where Putin takes the whole country or?

It would probably take some rather drastic world events. Say if sanctions got lifted on Russia. Trump managed to win an election, started buying Russian oil and gas at full market value. Europe went into an economic depression and Putin confiscated the offshore finances of oligarchs and Russia got good at war.

 

[Bug One]

All the Ukranian familes I know that came here were women and children. My daughter made good friends with one girl, but she's no longer at the same school - I expect moved elsewhere.

 

[VincentHanna]

Yeah there is a Ukrainian lady my wife knows who teaches Belly dancing.

Her husband is fighting in Ukraine.

 

[arknor]

Edit, I assume should the Ukrainian government formally request some of the documented Ukrainian nationals that are here be returned we would oblige.

doesn't sound like we would

Exclusive: Which wealthy Ukrainians shelter from war and law enforcement in UK – interview

Mykhailo Tkach, the head of the investigation department of NV’s sister publication Ukrainska Pravda, flew to London this summer to find Ukrainian citizens for whom law enforcement officials have questions.

english.nv.ua

 

[jigger]

since they are running our of men why doesn't the UK start deporting fighting age wealthy Ukrainians, the ones who came to France in brand new Mercedes to claim asylum

The UK will deport Ukrainians seeking asylum in France, but only those that arrived in brand new Mercedes. And I’m talking proper Mercedes now, not that cheap transverse engined FIAT garbage with a picture of a three pointed star on the bonnet.

 

[Mercenary Keyboard Warrior]

doesn't sound like we would

Exclusive: Which wealthy Ukrainians shelter from war and law enforcement in UK – interview

Mykhailo Tkach, the head of the investigation department of NV’s sister publication Ukrainska Pravda, flew to London this summer to find Ukrainian citizens for whom law enforcement officials have questions.

english.nv.ua

Reading it it sounds like we would but the investigator seemed to not understand the process or even if it has been/ was being actioned.

Its hard to work out if some of those people are supposed to be Russian or Ukrainian.
If they are Ukrainian why do they keep going on about Russians in Britain.

I mean some high level people may want to request asylum, but that doesnt mean its going to be granted.
I believe the vast majoirty of Ukrainians havent requested aslyum

 

[SPG]

Just hopeIsre

The ship was named after this guy

Tsezar Kunikov - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Note the date of his death.

Happy Valentines Putin.

So not being completely upto on Naval tactics and the combined fleet of the black sea 2015-2024 (my own internal shame) What is the point in that ship ? Troop support, landing troops or just pounding the coastline. I get the name but cant see any other craft that hangs off it or in it ?

 

[XPE]

Just hopeIsre


So not being completely upto on Naval tactics and the combined fleet of the black sea 2015-2024 (my own internal shame) What is the point in that ship ? Troop support, landing troops or just pounding the coastline. I get the name but cant see any other craft that hangs off it or in it ?

Judging by the explosion, its currently getting used for ammunition supply.