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Oh yes 
**Unofficial Tyre Thread**
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On an M3 I'd probably agree - I'm not so sure it makes a huge amount of difference on my 5 series diesel noticeably 
In addition, Michelin have since released PS5 (although I know the PS5 doesn't replace the 4S but rather the 4 at this stage) and other top end tyres have been released like Conti SportContact7 which could then outrival the older PS4S * Mark version. Plus there's additional cost for * Mark over standard. My 245/40/19 would be an additional £15 a corner!
In addition, Michelin have since released PS5 (although I know the PS5 doesn't replace the 4S but rather the 4 at this stage) and other top end tyres have been released like Conti SportContact7 which could then outrival the older PS4S * Mark version. Plus there's additional cost for * Mark over standard. My 245/40/19 would be an additional £15 a corner!
My point is that the tyres are different, and therefore it's not marketing guff.On an M3 I'd probably agree - I'm not so sure it makes a huge amount of difference on my 5 series diesel noticeably
In addition, Michelin have since released PS5 (although I know the PS5 doesn't replace the 4S but rather the 4 at this stage) and other top end tyres have been released like Conti SportContact7 which could then outrival the older PS4S * Mark version. Plus there's additional cost for * Mark over standard. My 245/40/19 would be an additional £15 a corner!
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ooo, all seasons tire testing is back !
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Fair! I didn't realise they did make that much of a difference tbh.
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I bought a set of Goodyear Vector 4 season G3 a couple of years ago based on this channels test. Worst tyres I have ever had in every way. Never bother with tyre reviews after that.
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awww thats a shame
if you read the comments underneath, one guy in the uk went from hankook to the CC 2. and he said its much better all round
if you read the comments underneath, one guy in the uk went from hankook to the CC 2. and he said its much better all round
Problem with these kind of reviews is they rely heavily on synthetic benchmarks and a minor bit of subjective testing limited to the setup the reviewer(s) are using.
In the real world things can be quite different i.e. a tyre with the shortest braking distance might be a mile away from the control and composure under heavy braking of the 2nd or 3rd closest tyre in many real world situations allowing you to stop much more safely, etc.
Had some Gen 1 Vectors and they were awful.
They are pushing the advertising on the Goodyears this year, seen it a few times on a yellow car in the snow.
Said before my CC+ experience is excellent and lasted a long time. Have no hesitation about buying CC2 but not available in my size.
Said before my CC+ experience is excellent and lasted a long time. Have no hesitation about buying CC2 but not available in my size.
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Results Table 2022 Tyre Reviews All Season Tyre Test - Tyre reviews and ratings
A table of results for the 2022 Tyre Reviews All Season Tyre Test tyre test.
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| Tyre | Total | Dry Braking | Dry Handling | Wet Braking | Wet Handling | Straight Aqua | Curved Aquaplaning | Snow Braking | Snow Traction | Snow Handling | Noise | Price | Rolling Resistance |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Michelin CrossClimate 2 | 92.2% | 38.6M | 79.3s | 32.20M | 99s | 78.80Km/H | 6.5m/sec2 | 31.10M | 5.50s | 110s | 69.6dB | 93.99 | 7.9kg / t |
| Hankook Kinergy 4S2 | 91.5% | 39.20M | 79.3s | 31.60M | 97.1s | 80.50Km/H | 7.5m/sec2 | 32.30M | 6.00s | 114.3s | 69.4dB | 87.89 | 8.5kg / t |
| Goodyear Vector 4Seasons Gen 3 | 90.8% | 41.60M | 78.7s | 31.90M | 97.5s | 79.30Km/H | 7.3m/sec2 | 31.50M | 7.10s | 114.7s | 69.5dB | 95 | 8.2kg / t |
| Continental AllSeasonContact | 89.5% | 41.60M | 78.8s | 33.20M | 98.1s | 78.30Km/H | 6.7m/sec2 | 32.40M | 6.80s | 115.5s | 69.7dB | 91 | 8.1kg / t |
It’s a reasonably good review. You can’t tell the long term wear and abilities of the tyres from it. The wet handling/aqua of the CC2 is slightly worse than the other tyres, but then it starts off with less tread than any of its competitors.Results Table 2022 Tyre Reviews All Season Tyre Test - Tyre reviews and ratings
A table of results for the 2022 Tyre Reviews All Season Tyre Test tyre test.
Tyre Total Dry Braking Dry Handling Wet Braking Wet Handling Straight Aqua Curved Aquaplaning Snow Braking Snow Traction Snow Handling Noise Price Rolling Resistance Michelin CrossClimate 2 92.2% 38.6M 79.3s 32.20M 99s 78.80Km/H 6.5m/sec2 31.10M 5.50s 110s 69.6dB 93.99 7.9kg / t Hankook Kinergy 4S2 91.5% 39.20M 79.3s 31.60M 97.1s 80.50Km/H 7.5m/sec2 32.30M 6.00s 114.3s 69.4dB 87.89 8.5kg / t Goodyear Vector 4Seasons Gen 3 90.8% 41.60M 78.7s 31.90M 97.5s 79.30Km/H 7.3m/sec2 31.50M 7.10s 114.7s 69.5dB 95 8.2kg / t Continental AllSeasonContact 89.5% 41.60M 78.8s 33.20M 98.1s 78.30Km/H 6.7m/sec2 32.40M 6.80s 115.5s 69.7dB 91 8.1kg / t
Without knowing how well the others wear, and how the tyre performs when worn it’s difficult to judge long term which is the best tyre. Michelin claim the performance of the tyre to be excellent all the way through its lifespan right down to the legal limit.
I’d like to see the CC+ included in that test to demonstrate where the CC2 is improved and by how much.
On that note personally I've liked the handling/performance of Continental tyres but not found they last as long as the competition (I've seen quite a few people say the Michelin CCs have much better feel in the dry than the similar style Contis and Goodyear).
Depending on vehicle (more for SUVs and 4x4s) and use I'd probably suggest the Conti Cross Contact or Cross Contact ATR over the All Season Contact as they probably have a better balance of summer performance while still being capable in adverse conditions in the rare times we get it bad enough in the UK to warrant something other than a summer tyre.
It depends on an area in UK. High lands seem to go full winter. Even midlands have some snow once in a while.
I had Nexen Nblue all weather and was happy. They are not even on a test with TR guy! I think he is doing reviews for the advertising of his website. As to have more exposure to his business. The person does not need to get paid directly from certain companies. It could be indirect such as invites to tests with accomodation provided etc.
I had Nexen Nblue all weather and was happy. They are not even on a test with TR guy! I think he is doing reviews for the advertising of his website. As to have more exposure to his business. The person does not need to get paid directly from certain companies. It could be indirect such as invites to tests with accomodation provided etc.
i guess that make sense when the car is new, but when its, say 5 years old, is OE still "better than aftermarket"?
If they ever build my BMW 1 series, it comes with some bridgestones S005s, which everyone says are rubbish. the only Star marked options are the "Pirelli P Zero" no idea if they are any good, or if the sidewalls are as soft as cheese like they were that list time i used pirelli. There looks like there might be a continental SP6 that is BMW, but for what car? What works well on a rear wheel drive car with 300hp, might not work so will on a front wheel drive car with 265bhp. If BMW say, anything with BMW is fine, even if its "designed" for a completely different platform, then the whole star marked argument largely goes out of the window, no?
Its not like you can take tyres back and swap them if you dont like them. your either stuck with them, or you bin £xxx x4 and start again.
If they ever build my BMW 1 series, it comes with some bridgestones S005s, which everyone says are rubbish. the only Star marked options are the "Pirelli P Zero" no idea if they are any good, or if the sidewalls are as soft as cheese like they were that list time i used pirelli. There looks like there might be a continental SP6 that is BMW, but for what car? What works well on a rear wheel drive car with 300hp, might not work so will on a front wheel drive car with 265bhp. If BMW say, anything with BMW is fine, even if its "designed" for a completely different platform, then the whole star marked argument largely goes out of the window, no?
Its not like you can take tyres back and swap them if you dont like them. your either stuck with them, or you bin £xxx x4 and start again.
You are right. Any tyre is fine so long as they fit and are the right size but somebody was saying the * BMW are no different tyres when in fact, there is a massive difference in them
yes chances are they will cost more so have a choice just like with any tyre for your car.