Vega 56 worth it at around £200?

[gpuerrilla]

The 5700 is supposed to be a bit faster than the 2070 as well, prob comes out roughly similar give or take 2 or 3% to the "supers"

I dunno, the vega 56 started off losing to the 1070 on launch. Currently its destroying the 1070, beats the 1070ti and starts edging in on the 1080. Hopefully the 5700 will mature the same so would be confident of it pushing later on down the line.

 

[FoxEye]

I've gone from a 970 to a sapphire pulse, really happy with the upgrade, for the sake of £20 it's worth it, especially if you have a freesync monitor

Nah no FreeSync. I have an old 60hz 1080p monitor from circa 2010 I think.

Literally everything on my rig is ancient, and I can't be spending £300+ on any one component. Have to really reign the costs in. Everything must be replaced.

PSU, CPU, RAM, mobo, GPU, case, keyboard... pretty much only the mouse isn't dropping to bits.

I've been passing up generation after generation, telling myself the next gen will be better value for money. Instead it gets worse each gen :/

 

[decto]

I do. I remember getting the radeon 9700 pro and feeling hard done by parting with £200. This was around Christmas 2002. Nowadays thats getting you an entry mid tier offering. I can stomach top of the line being toward £500 from inflation, but its more than double that which is milking the ****.

Totally concur. I have had good GPUs since my first dedicated purchase the voodoo 3 3000. Dipping into nvidia also, my typical price bracket was £150-250. I think it started to get silly around the GTS 8800 where I started to reign it in and got forced into mid tier shenanigans.

I agree pricing is getting a little crazy at the high end, but this is the super high end for those with deep pockets. I see gaming chairs at £350+ and monitors at £700+ so there is a market for these super high end cards which are expensive as they are very large chips with limited demand (due to price).

I don't think you can compare a 9700 or a TNT to modern graphics cards pushing 200W+, we're a lot further to the right in the power / performance spectrum these days. Things did start to get really expensive from the 8800GTX, however I've had a pretty decent run on £200 to £300 cards over many years but I'm not on the bleeding edge of refresh rate and resolution. Having played doom in a letterbox back in the day, I'm also not obsessed with having all the visual sliders maxed.

Navi is launching high and will drop, RTX will drop, every generation of GPU's launches high and then drops. We went through a crazy mining phase where prices were high, but back in normality if you're prepared to be flexibly in what you but there are deals to be had.
At £500 Vega would be dead in the water, at £200+ its a good deal. There will always be £200 - £300 cards, I think out expecations are just too high these days because 'back in the day it was cheaper'

 

[FoxEye]

I agree pricing is getting a little crazy at the high end, but this is the super high end for those with deep pockets. I see gaming chairs at £350+ and monitors at £700+ so there is a market for these super high end cards which are expensive as they are very large chips with limited demand (due to price).

I don't think you can compare a 9700 or a TNT to modern graphics cards pushing 200W+, we're a lot further to the right in the power / performance spectrum these days. Things did start to get really expensive from the 8800GTX, however I've had a pretty decent run on £200 to £300 cards over many years but I'm not on the bleeding edge of refresh rate and resolution. Having played doom in a letterbox back in the day, I'm also not obsessed with having all the visual sliders maxed.

Vega is launching high and will drop, RTX will drop, every generation of GPU's launches high and then drops. We went through a crazy mining phase where prices were high, but back in normality if you're prepared to be flexibly in what you but there are deals to be had.
At £500 Vega would be dead in the water, at £200+ its a good deal. There will always be £200 - £300 cards, I think out expecations are just too high these days because 'back in the day it was cheaper'

You'd be wrong about the mid range.

We've had the same price/perf since 2013 ish. R290 -> R390 -> 480 -> 580 -> 590.

All these cards have been £250 ish for years. Only the R290 launched a lot higher than that. But eventually settled at this price.

Since the asking price and the perf for all these cards has been the same since 2013, how is the mid-range healthy or progressing at all?

Well, it isn't.

 

[Aretak]

That's only counting AMD cards though. The 1660 Ti murders all of those cards and can be had for £250, which is where the 590 launched just a few months ago. It's generally a bit faster than the 1070 too, which is a card that was still well over £300 this time last year. For all the (deserved) hatred Nvidia get higher up the product stack, the 1660 Ti finally relegated all those cards with roughly the performance of a 290X down to the budget tier where they belong.

 

[LeMson]

Nah no FreeSync. I have an old 60hz 1080p monitor from circa 2010 I think.

Literally everything on my rig is ancient, and I can't be spending £300+ on any one component. Have to really reign the costs in. Everything must be replaced.

PSU, CPU, RAM, mobo, GPU, case, keyboard... pretty much only the mouse isn't dropping to bits.

I've been passing up generation after generation, telling myself the next gen will be better value for money. Instead it gets worse each gen :/

You could get a asrock 570 for £120, £100ish on b450 mobo and £120 sommot ryzen 2600, 8/16gb of ram, doesn't need to be fast prolly 2666 will do

keep monitor, tho for £230 you can buy 27 inch 1440p 144hz freesync TN panel great for gaming and general use, psu will run you another £80+, £10 keyboard and build your own case out of cardboard boxes

 

[ANDREW GREEN]

You'd be wrong about the mid range.

We've had the same price/perf since 2013 ish. R290 -> R390 -> 480 -> 580 -> 590.

All these cards have been £250 ish for years. Only the R290 launched a lot higher than that. But eventually settled at this price.

Since the asking price and the perf for all these cards has been the same since 2013, how is the mid-range healthy or progressing at all?

Well, it isn't.

That's not quite true a £120 RX 570 now matches a 290, which launched at $399

TBH you don't need a Vega 56 for 1080p/60hz gaming, a 580 would max out most games you throw at it aside from coding disasters like AC Odyssey

 

[delvey]

That's only counting AMD cards though. The 1660 Ti murders all of those cards and can be had for £250, which is where the 590 launched just a few months ago. It's generally a bit faster than the 1070 too, which is a card that was still well over £300 this time last year. For all the (deserved) hatred Nvidia get higher up the product stack, the 1660 Ti finally relegated all those cards with roughly the performance of a 290X down to the budget tier where they belong.

So it should, as it is new, 290/290x is 5 years old at least. Hence why I have only just upgraded mine. And the GTX 1660ti is slower (quite significantly in some games) than the Vega 56 (stock) and is around the same price for a decent cooler.

 

[Aretak]

So it should, as it is new, 290/290x is 5 years old at least. Hence why I have only just upgraded mine. And the GTX 1660ti is slower (quite significantly in some games) than the Vega 56 (stock) and is around the same price for a decent cooler.

But clearance sales of Vega don't count if we're talking regular prices and where cards were actually positioned at launch. Sure, Vega 56 is faster, but it was also £400 initially (not accounting for the mining craze that inflated them way above that). AMD's "new" offering around the £250 price range was the RX 590, which was a joke of a card really. And it doesn't look like they'll be competing in the ~£250 space at all in the near future, with Navi coming in well above that and nothing else announced, leaving the 1660 Ti as pretty much the default option if you want to spend around £250 once Vega 56 stock is gone (something Gibbo said to expect soon the other day). Unless the 2060 drops once the Super version is released that is.

 

[delvey]

But clearance sales of Vega don't count if we're talking regular prices and where cards were actually positioned at launch. Sure, Vega 56 is faster, but it was also £400 initially (not accounting for the mining craze that inflated them way above that). AMD's "new" offering around the £250 price range was the RX 590, which was a joke of a card really. And it doesn't look like they'll be competing in the ~£250 space at all in the near future, with Navi coming in well above that and nothing else announced, leaving the 1660 Ti as pretty much the default option if you want to spend around £250 once Vega 56 stock is gone (something Gibbo said to expect soon the other day). Unless the 2060 drops once the Super version is released that is.

I agree, but if the GTX 1660ti had launched at £400, how many would it have sold? None.
It had to launch at £250, or around that, or else it would have been a pointless GPU, being slower, and more expensive, than the current Vega 56. Yes, you can compare to the Vega 56 launch price a few years back, but when releasing a new product, you need to look at your competitors in the present, and the prices they sell their product.

 

[ANDREW GREEN]

And it doesn't look like they'll be competing in the ~£250 space at all in the near future, with Navi coming in well above that and nothing else announced, leaving the 1660 Ti as pretty much the default option if you want to spend around £250 once Vega 56 stock is gone (something Gibbo said to expect soon the other day). Unless the 2060 drops once the Super version is released that is.

I imagine a 5600 and 5600XT to be their next releases. They need to compete in the £200-£350 price point and they know it.

 

[FoxEye]

I imagine a 5600 and 5600XT to be their next releases. They need to compete in the £200-£350 price point and they know it.

How about a nice Polaris re-brand for that space? Who doesn't want to see the RX480 ride again?

In all seriousness there is no leak of any planned cards below the 5700. Additionally even if it does come it might not be till Q4 or whatever, whilst they try to maximise 5700 sales.

 

[Aretak]

I agree, but if the GTX 1660ti had launched at £400, how many would it have sold? None.
It had to launch at £250, or around that, or else it would have been a pointless GPU, being slower, and more expensive, than the current Vega 56. Yes, you can compare to the Vega 56 launch price a few years back, but when releasing a new product, you need to look at your competitors in the present, and the prices they sell their product.

You do indeed - and AMD's £250 product was the RX 590, which was a pointless, slow GPU for too much money. At least the price cuts came quickly once it became clear what a waste of time it was, and it makes more sense if well under £200. But Nvidia didn't release the 1660 Ti to compete with clearance sales of Vega 56 (I'm not sure they'd even begun at the time), because that's a problem that solves itself within months when stock is exhausted. Equally, Vega 56 isn't AMD's answer to any of Nvidia's current products. It's officially an end of life product with dwindling stock. And I'd be amazed if AMD or their partners are making much of anything out of selling Vega cards for current prices, given the expense of HBM2 and the high end PCBs and coolers required to house such a thirsty GPU. Nvidia sure aren't worried about Vega (and never were).

 

[ANDREW GREEN]

How about a nice Polaris re-brand for that space? Who doesn't want to see the RX480 ride again?

In all seriousness there is no leak of any planned cards below the 5700. Additionally even if it does come it might not be till Q4 or whatever, whilst they try to maximise 5700 sales.

Other than Adored TV there's no leaks of any lower tier cards but they need them because Vega and Polaris are EOL. AMDs market share will descrease further if they don't have cards in this huge chunk of the market. I reckon a new £250 AMD card is coming soon.

 

[easyrider]

Other than Adored TV there's no leaks of any lower tier cards but they need them because Vega and Polaris are EOL. AMDs market share will descrease further if they don't have cards in this huge chunk of the market. I reckon a new £250 AMD card is coming soon.

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[melmac]

Nah no FreeSync. I have an old 60hz 1080p monitor from circa 2010 I think.

Literally everything on my rig is ancient, and I can't be spending £300+ on any one component. Have to really reign the costs in. Everything must be replaced.

PSU, CPU, RAM, mobo, GPU, case, keyboard... pretty much only the mouse isn't dropping to bits.

I've been passing up generation after generation, telling myself the next gen will be better value for money. Instead it gets worse each gen :/

What GPU do you have at the moment?

 

[Hades]

Other than Adored TV there's no leaks of any lower tier cards but they need them because Vega and Polaris are EOL. AMDs market share will descrease further if they don't have cards in this huge chunk of the market. I reckon a new £250 AMD card is coming soon.

No leaks apart from several unnamed placeholders in the Linux open source drivers.

 

[FoxEye]

What GPU do you have at the moment?

Sapphire 480 4GB.

It's one of the worst cards I've ever owned.

1. The 4gb was a mistake.
2. The cooler on this is one of the worst Sapphire ever made. It's every bit as bad as the XBOX 360 I got rid of years ago.
3. It struggles to do 60fps/1080p. Probably lack of VRAM.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

RX5700 is 10% faster than a RTX2060 for £50 to £80 more. Vega56 is 10% faster than a GTX1660TI,so what price is the RX5600XT going to be?? £300?? Vega 56 performance or a bit better?? An RTX2060 is 10% faster than a GTX1660TI:
https://tpucdn.com/review/zotac-geforce-gtx-1660-ti/images/relative-performance_2560-1440.png

A GTX1660TI is already £250.

 

[melmac]

Sapphire 480 4GB.

It's one of the worst cards I've ever owned.

1. The 4gb was a mistake.
2. The cooler on this is one of the worst Sapphire ever made. It's every bit as bad as the XBOX 360 I got rid of years ago.
3. It struggles to do 60fps/1080p. Probably lack of VRAM.

Any of the Vega Cards or even a 1660Ti would be a substantial upgrade over what you have now for your under £300 budget. And as well as that, it would get the "worst card you have ever owned" off your hands.

You have let several amazing deals pass by because of your persistence in waiting for something better to come along. And it looks like there won't be anything on the horizon for the foreseeable future. So don't let another deal go by.