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Well this is a easy answer for me.
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Poll: WengIn or WengOut?
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Why do I obviously have a time frame in mind? Klopp's had two summers so far to shape his side and he has shown that he'll wait for the right players which suggests he has the trust of the owners to build over a longer term than what some managers get. That said it wouldn't be unreasonable to expect the nucleus of the side to be in place at the start of next season and then just tweaks and small changes there after.
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I don't think it's even a timeframe as such. When he's got the right keeper, maybe another CB and a CM it's complete. After that it's tweaking the squad. If Karius develops and Keita works out then you could say job done. A strong CM captain is missing right now. Need a star to replace one of Can, Henderson and Wini.
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Regarding your point about Arsenal winning more cups in say the last 5 years than the teams above them is a valid point.
However we have already established that finishing 4th is worth more than winning the Fa Cup so we need to count that as well.
About time frames....
A team which is showing good signs, is competitive, playing as a unit and has good team spirit and gives maximum effort is the only requirements really.
Also the aspiration of the club is important. Liverpool are showing they aspire to win the league and Champions league. Not sure what Arsenal are aspiring for with current performances.
I think the word competitive should be underlined. Once you start not competing coupled with making school boy errors then it's time for a review.
And with Arsenal this decline is over a decade in the making.
I was asking your opinion regarding a timeframe, you've said 3 summers. I'll hold you to that.
Hold me to that regarding what exactly?
You said Liverpool are building towards something, Arsenal are not building apparently, I expect to see you getting worked up if Liverpool don't finish inside the top 4 or win anything, let's say from 2020 onwards.
Arsenal stood still for half a dozen years and now are in decline. If Liverpool spend years stood still then I absolutely will let alone if they go into the decline Arsenal are in.
Yes, I've noticed you're failing to understand a great deal so this will be my last reply to you as I see no point wasting my time any further. Saying Arsenal won a couple of FA Cups more than a side that's underachieved isn't a great defence, particularly when that side has come closer to winning the League than Arsenal have in that time. If you want to compare to Liverpool, when Rodgers fell off a cliff and looked as lost as Arsenal do now, he lost his job. Klopp has since taken over and has quickly overtaken Arsenal and is pulling away.
I'll try to spell it out for you one last time. Arsenal have gone from comfortably qualifying for the CL but never seriously challenging for or building towards challenging for either that or the league (which is bad enough) to missing out on the CL and now falling well adrift of the top 4 spots. The first part was Arsenal not progressing and the second part is Arsenal in decline.
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Exactly that.
There were the mid-to-late 2000's when the club did a good job of staying in the top 4 despite the stadium change and dismantling of the squad. Then there was a period when we were involved title races to begin with, but everyone was expecting a 'LolArsenal' to happen where it'd all go pear-shaped and fall apart spectacularly and they duly obliged with unnerving consistency. Then just getting top 4 became a game of Russian roulette which the team got away with several times thanks to some strong finishes. Eventually the inevitable happened. Now they don't even look top 4 material and are on course for the worst away form in donkeys years and the lowest points total too.
So you have a consistent, downward trend, and to top it off there isn't even the comfort of a least getting to see consistently attractive possession football any more, it's no wonder turn-out on match day is going down too. He's got to go at the end of the season regardless of what can still happen (although realistically looking at the draw and other teams in the EL there's little chance of anything other than finishing the season at a new low).
I'm not an Arsenal fan but in the past I have admired their philosophy and style of play. Wenger should have gone last year (probably even earlier) as, sadly, he's past it now. I think he's been there so long now that he can't give up.
There will undoubtedly be pain when he leaves so they're better off starting along that path ASAP.
I foresee a similar situation to United where the manager had has so much influence that the money men behind the scenes will cause issues for a while regardless of who replaces him.
There will undoubtedly be pain when he leaves so they're better off starting along that path ASAP.
I foresee a similar situation to United where the manager had has so much influence that the money men behind the scenes will cause issues for a while regardless of who replaces him.
A great player doesn't automatically mean he'll be a great manager.
Exactly, I’d rather him get some experience under his belt as a manager then maybe come to Arsenal.
Imagine the backlash if he does take over and we do even worse than what we are right now.
Backlash? Wouldn't the fans get behind him though?
It would be awesome to give an upcoming manager some time to implement their philosophy, the fans would have to realise they could finish mid table though whilst a squad is built.
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Henry would probably sour his reputation if he took charge now, we need someone with experience of rebuilding a team and pushing for the top 4 again. Henry as an assistant or coach until he's gained enough experience would be fine though.
I've been wenger out for years but this is the first time in ages i'm not calling for his head. He's clearly on his way out and at most will be here for one more season to see out his contract, if he's not already gone in the summer. Just gotta support the team and wait for the change.
I've been wenger out for years but this is the first time in ages i'm not calling for his head. He's clearly on his way out and at most will be here for one more season to see out his contract, if he's not already gone in the summer. Just gotta support the team and wait for the change.
Backlash when he fails miserably. You think fans are going to sit idly by and watch us do even worse?? I don’t think so, if he did take over of course I’d be behind him but I don’t honestly believe he is the man to get us out of this rut we are in currently.
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