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I asked why would nvidia lie about performance vs the 2080ti when they would get found out in 2 weeks time and that was your response.
You then came out with this masterstroke which is essentially the same thing.
What are they lying about? They said twice the performance? In what? At What? At RT & DLSS? In specifically designed proprietary bench marks?
It's so vague that they can spin it however they want. The graphs were vague and nonsensical.
When you compare pure rasterization, no RT and DLSS, I'd put serious money down that the 3070 will not offer twice the performance, or anywhere near it. And with 8GB of RAM you may find the 3070 hamstrung in a year or two at higher resolutions with modern titles.
I cannot believe people are still buying into any of this hype without proper reviews and benchmarks, and my mind is utterly blown that people actually believe NVIDIA aren't capable of deception.
Why would they make out the cards are so much better? So you sell your cards now, so you pre-order. They don't care about the last gen now, especially distributor stock if it's bought and paid for.
What are they lying about? They said twice the performance? In what? At What? At RT & DLSS? In specifically designed proprietary bench marks?
It's so vague that they can spin it however they want. The graphs were vague and nonsensical.
When you compare pure rasterization, no RT and DLSS, I'd put serious money down that the 3070 will not offer twice the performance, or anywhere near it. And with 8GB of RAM you may find the 3070 hamstrung in a year or two at higher resolutions with modern titles.
I cannot believe people are still buying into any of this hype without proper reviews and benchmarks, and my mind is utterly blown that people actually believe NVIDIA aren't capable of deception.
Obviously, without reviews nobody knows the true performance. I was just asking the question as an alternative point of view. Look at the damage it has done to the 2080ti and all that may have been for nothing as the 2080ti could still come out quite strong when reviews leak.
The "1.9 performance/watt" number is now the first to be debunked. In an interview today Nvidia let slip that this number was measured and only applies in one very specific rayvtracing scenario and is not representative of normal raster work load.
So that's just one of Nvidias marketing tricks that has had its rose tints removed - there will be more to come
It's not always as straight forward as that if they have got rid of all stock then fine nobody cares about last gen.Why would they care about the 2080ti? At all. It's end of life, and they've got a brand new product line ready to go.
They want people laser focused on the new gen, ready to part with their cash and pre-order. And judging by the thirst in a forum full of experienced tech enthusiasts, I'd say it's working
Ultimately they're focusing on RayTracing, DLSS and all their other new AI technologies. That's what the discussion from NV will be.
I keep thinking about picking up a 2080ti for the crazy cheap prices they're going for now.
It's not always as straight forward as that if they have got rid of all stock then fine nobody cares about last gen.
Normally the previous flagship with a (small)price discount still has a place for a couple of months at least until all stock is gone(I'm not referring to used gpus as they don't matter). The 2080ti was "on paper" wiped out after one reveal video.
Now we look to the review to see if this holds true or not. If the nvidia slides completely misrepresented the 3070 performance then it follows up to the 3080 and 3090.
The whole thing is crazy and could all fall apart when the review's release.
I'm actually excited for the reviews to see what way it plays out.
How can anyone buy without seeing a range of unbiased reviews?
What if its space invaders all over again?
Absolutely zero to gain by buying day 1.
Well they do just work.BUT BUT BUT.... THE JACKET SAID THEY WERE GREAT!
That's all it takes for some folk
How can anyone buy without seeing a range of unbiased reviews?
What if its space invaders all over again?
Absolutely zero to gain by buying day 1.
I keep thinking about picking up a 2080ti for the crazy cheap prices they're going for now.
Do we really trust Nvidia with the quoted performance figures?
What if the 3070 falls significantly short of the 2080ti?
I'm just wondering If I should hedge my bets and pick up a 2080 while they're cheap.
I know nobody 100% knows the answer this is just a discussion post.
I think the DF video was pretty definitive.
I don't think they would deliberately mislead. The implications in that video was clear.
14 day return window is plenty of time. This is one of the very rare occasions where a pre order actually makes sense.
Exactly, I mean it's not like Nvidia paid for them to do the video. Oh wait...
Well, Nvidia might have paid for it but they didn't chose the games or settings to test at. Oh wait...
Yeah ok, but Nvidia didn't make DF test against 20 series cards that were bandwidth limited at 4k to show an exaggerated leap in performance. Oh wait...