Who here owns a Fiesta ST?

Hmmm yes could do mate along with the stuff that comes with them aswell.

The Focus ST will be around the same size as my Astra VXR, and my Astra copes with the kids and the equipment that comes with them (bikes, scooters etc) very well. I am only changing soon for a 5 door to save messing about with a baby seat.

Even better the Focus ST comes in a 5 door, so win win for you.
 
Wonder what i'd get for mine? ST prices are dismal at the moment :(

2006 plate, 40,000 odd miles
Mechanically sound, paintwork isn't brilliant though
MP185
BC Coilovers + adjustable drop links
ST170 brakes all round
16" Turinis with practically brand new Yoko's

Quite like the new Mazda 3 MPS - http://classifieds.pistonheads.com/...3t-mps-5dr-aero-bodykit-sat-nav-alloys/576542

Just throwing ideas around at the moment, having to buy a house as our landlord wants to sell :( so can't exactly run off and swap cars.

The dilemma I have is that I need 4 doors, seat 3 in the back, want similar or better performance than the ST but I do mostly town miles so big engines will drink petrol. Yet if I go for a small engine for good MPG, it won't be powerful enough to haul a medium/big sized car around. Don't do enough miles for satan's fuel either.
 
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I am looking at replacing my head unit in my ST as the stock aux-in is **** and keeps cutting out when changing gear. I have found the head unit I like and all the cables needed to make my stalk work and also facia etc. Do I need a new bracket to keep the head unit in place or can I use the one thats already there if there is one?

I am yet to take my head unit out so not sure whats behind currently.
 
Have many people here done the 300mm brake upgrade? I'm wondering whether it's particularly worth it. Was considering upgrading the fronts first with mk3 Mondeo calipers + Turbogroove discs + redstuff pads but after I've done all this it's going to come in at like £250-300 for all the bits.

Is it really as effective as the price would lead to believe? And would the car be alright just having upgraded fronts or do you really need to do the rears at the same time...
 
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Have many people here done the 300mm brake upgrade? I'm wondering whether it's particularly worth it. Was considering upgrading the fronts first with mk3 Mondeo calipers + Turbogroove discs + redstuff pads but after I've done all this it's going to come in at like £250-300 for all the bits.

Is it really as effective as the price would lead to believe? And would the car be alright just having upgraded fronts or do you really need to do the rears at the same time...
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Overkill in a car as little as the ST, but why not :p
 
JamesM said:
Wonder what i'd get for mine? ST prices are dismal at the moment :(

2006 plate, 40,000 odd miles
Mechanically sound, paintwork isn't brilliant though
MP185
BC Coilovers + adjustable drop links
ST170 brakes all round
16" Turinis with practically brand new Yoko's

Quite like the new Mazda 3 MPS - http://classifieds.pistonheads.com/...3t-mps-5dr-aero-bodykit-sat-nav-alloys/576542

Just throwing ideas around at the moment, having to buy a house as our landlord wants to sell :( so can't exactly run off and swap cars.

The dilemma I have is that I need 4 doors, seat 3 in the back, want similar or better performance than the ST but I do mostly town miles so big engines will drink petrol. Yet if I go for a small engine for good MPG, it won't be powerful enough to haul a medium/big sized car around. Don't do enough miles for satan's fuel either.
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I thought the new shape MPS had actually fallen to around 8k then but it is a CAT D!
 
matty_1210 said:
Hello all,

Just thought I would join in with my ST. Im on my second ST now as a stupid woman crashed in to my first ST.

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This is my new 2007 white Fiesta ST.

Pumaspeed 190bhp kit (Milltek sports 4-1 exhaust, 200 spec camshaft, K&N 57i filter, custom map) and HID front lights.

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Are you Sian's boyfriend? :D
 
shauncr91 said:
Have many people here done the 300mm brake upgrade? I'm wondering whether it's particularly worth it. Was considering upgrading the fronts first with mk3 Mondeo calipers + Turbogroove discs + redstuff pads but after I've done all this it's going to come in at like £250-300 for all the bits.

Is it really as effective as the price would lead to believe? And would the car be alright just having upgraded fronts or do you really need to do the rears at the same time...
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Over standard yes it's worth it, pedal feel is better and the car stops better. I was like you and thought can an extra 20mm on the front really make a difference but it does. If you do go down the Mondeo route then you also get bigger pistons too as the ST170 setup just uses the ST150 caliper, just with a different carrier.

I went down the ST170 route instead of doing the Mondeo calipers as pad choice for the ST170 setup is a lot better. I currently run brembo plain disks and DS2500 pads on the front and the car stops very, very well and just gets better the warmer they get.

I've fitted the complete ST170 setup (front and rear) and highly recommend it and they fit under 16s too.

I think in the end I managed to get the fronts for £80, the rears were about £170 but had been refurbished by BigRed and then disks and pads ontop of that.
 
Oh thanks for that James, what carriers do you need to use the standard calipers with 300mm discs? I've never heard of it being done this way so if I can get away with not changing the caliper then I'll go down that route :)

I'll be honest, like half the reason for wanting bigger discs is for the bling factor :cool:
 
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You need to get the carrier from a Focus ST170. They are not available new from Ford, but you can get scrap/used st170 calipers with them still attached pretty cheaply these days. You will probably want to take a file to them to clean up the pad guides.

The carrier is the same actual casting for both the fiesta st and focus st170, but it is drilled slightly differently depending on which car it is from. The caliper is the same for both cars, its just the carrier that varies. I have an image on my home pc which I'll post later, should make it more obvious as to what the difference is!

Fiesta st carrier has 10mm threaded bolt holes to fit the hub, and the holes are drilled so it spaces the caliper to fit the standard 278mm disc.

Focus st170 has 12mm holes to fit the hub, and the holes are drilled to allow the caliper to fit a 300mm disc (the holes are simply drilled closer to the edge of the bracket than for the fiesta).

To use the carrier from the focus on the Fiesta, you need 4x 12mm bolts to fix the carrier to the hub (will get the ford part numbers later), and to drill the holes on the hub out from 10mm to 12mm.

Once done, bolt up the new bracket, chuck on a 300mm disc, and you'll find your existing caliper will bolt back on to the bracket.

The advantages of using the existing caliper are greater pad choice and stock pedal feel (if you use the mondeo mk3 caliper you get bigger pistons, but pedal travel is slightly softened/lengthened as a result of the greater volume to the piston, given that the rest of the braking system is unchanged).
 
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Will said:
You need to get the carrier from a Focus ST170. They are not available new from Ford, but you can get scrap/used st170 calipers with them still attached pretty cheaply these days. You will probably want to take a file to them to clean up the pad guides.

The carrier is the same actual casting for both the fiesta st and focus st170, but it is drilled slightly differently depending on which car it is from. The caliper is the same for both cars, its just the carrier that varies. I have an image on my home pc which I'll post later, should make it more obvious as to what the difference is!

Fiesta st carrier has 10mm threaded bolt holes to fit the hub, and the holes are drilled so it spaces the caliper to fit the standard 278mm disc.

Focus st170 has 12mm holes to fit the hub, and the holes are drilled to allow the caliper to fit a 300mm disc (the holes are simply drilled closer to the edge of the bracket than for the fiesta).

To use the carrier from the focus on the Fiesta, you need 4x 12mm bolts to fix the carrier to the hub (will get the ford part numbers later), and to drill the holes on the hub out from 10mm to 12mm.

Once done, bolt up the new bracket, chuck on a 300mm disc, and you'll find your existing caliper will bolt back on to the bracket.

The advantages of using the existing caliper are greater pad choice and stock pedal feel (if you use the mondeo mk3 caliper you get bigger pistons, but pedal travel is slightly softened/lengthened as a result of the greater volume to the piston, given that the rest of the braking system is unchanged).
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+1

Everything you need to know is there.

Only trouble with the ST calipers is the bloody caliper clip is a pain but if you can put up with that then it's worth going down the ST route imo.
 
I've fitted the 300mm discs and Mondeo calipers and as above, all thats needed is to drill out the mounting holes from 10mm to 12mm, easy conversion, I also sourced ST170 rear caliper carriers to allow for 280mm discs on the rear using the standard rear caliper. I also took the opportunity to fit stainless hoses. Mondeo calipers are easier and cheaper to find than ST170 items.
Overkill? Yes definitely, the rear discs corrode as standard due to the little effort they apply so larger items aren't really needed, but it balances the front set-up and looks great, they fit behind the standard wheels and look good.
I went for standard Brembo discs and Ford pads, didn't think t was worth the extra cost for grooved items and I went for decent bite from cold over high temp usage of "fast road" pads as the car is used for commuting too and I've driven on harder pads before and pulling up sharply on cold pads on the motorway requires a surprising amount of pressure.

On the subject of wheels though, which 16's fit? I bought a set of Zetec-S 16's and they do touch the caliper slightly, maybe if the pads were more worn they would be fine. I had a set of 16's from an old Mondeo but they were ET37 and looked terrible, not to mention the crap they threw up the side of the car, but the offset meant they cleared the calipers fine.
 
Thanks for the help guys, pretty sure I'll just go for the ST170 setup then, basically the fitting is exactly the same as the Mondeo setup you just use a different carrier. Just -

Take off caliper
Drill carrier-mounts out to 12mm
Put 300mm ST170 disc on
Put on ST170 carrier and attach using the new 12mm bolts
Mount standard caliper to the 170 caliper - Perfect fit ye?
Reassemble...

Haven't missed anything have I? I'm not in a rush to get it done really so I'll probably hang on and wait for the 170 bits to come up on eBay :)

Again thanks for the great replies :)
 
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shauncr91 said:
Thanks for the help guys, pretty sure I'll just go for the ST170 setup then, basically the fitting is exactly the same as the Mondeo setup you just use a different carrier. Just -

Take off caliper
Drill carrier-mounts out to 12mm
Put 300mm ST170 disc on
Put on ST170 carrier and attach using the new 12mm bolts
Mount standard caliper to the 170 caliper - Perfect fit ye?
Reassemble...

Haven't missed anything have I? I'm not in a rush to get it done really so I'll probably hang on and wait for the 170 bits to come up on eBay :)

Again thanks for the great replies :)
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That's exactly it... like I say you may need to file or wire brush the pad guides to remove corrosion if the carrier brackets are old but its simple tidy up work!
 
Phoned Mountune today to make sure all is ok for Friday, and it is! Can't wait!

Early start though, 5am and it will take around 6 hours to complete the work, I think a few films at the cinema in Romford is called for. :D

Need to run the cams in, I've been told after a full tank of fuel of steady-ish driving I can see what the MR200 is capable of!
 
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This should show you the difference in the Fiesta ST and Focus ST170 caliper carrier bracket, picture is of the drivers side carrier as you'd see it on the car - I took this picture of the Fiesta ST caliper bracket that I took off my car, you can see where the holes are drilled differently to space out the caliper differently.

The 12mm bolts you need can be had from Ford very cheaply, I can't remember the FINIS code and seem to have the lost the document I had with it! :(

But if you go to a Ford dealer they can show you an exploded diagram of the Mondeo Mk3 or Focus ST170 front brake setup...the bolts are the same for either car (12mm thread), you need two per side, they attach the carrier to the hub...a monkey could identify the right bits from the diagram, they're the bolts for the holes labelled with the red/yellow lines above.

The caliper bolts straight on to the carrier as shown on the pink labelling, you can re-use the bolts from your existing calipers or scavenge the bits from the ST170 caliper/carrier if you get both bits together.
 
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killer_uk said:
Phoned Mountune today to make sure all is ok for Friday, and it is! Can't wait!

Early start though, 5am and it will take around 6 hours to complete the work, I think a few films at the cinema in Romford is called for. :D

Need to run the cams in, I've been told after a full tank of fuel of steady-ish driving I can see what the MR200 is capable of!
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You'll like MR200 a lot :D

Mountune HQ is a somewhat boring place to spend a few hours, going somewhere else for the day is a good call, they don't let you see much because of the sensitive motorsport development stuff they have around the place. You can still tell its an impressive facility though, its a cut above your usual tuner/garage!

You coming to the RR day on 24th Nov? Be interesting to see how your car compares to mine on the rollers....tempted to run mine again!
 
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