Soldato
I tried vegan for a week, but lost my voice and had to stop it.
Why are you not vegan....
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If the sausages are made to resemble meat, they often are horrible . I do not see why vegans wish to see products resembling products from animals or made from animals. It seems counterintuitive. I am quite happy to eat a product made from vegetable protein, nuts etc., which is different in looks and texture from a sausage or burger.
Then again I do enjoy a bit of lambs liver with onions and mashed potatoes.
I would have chosen ribs, but respect anyway.
Its very easy to get peanut butter or shampoo without palm oil. But what I said is true. Its mainly also in use along with milk in things like biscuits etc.
Do you work on a dairy farm by any chance? What would happen to a baby cow if the mother is in late stage pregnancy when slaughtered?
You better tell the RSPCA theyre full of crap as well....
Youre not a lion or tiger.
I obviously wouldn't agree with that, dont have a problem with direct action though.
Soldato
The OP was talking about UK practices though and giving complete nonsense as facts to support his arguments.
Be aware that large swathes of land used for beef, dairy and sheep are not able to be used for crops given their location and topography - have we just to rewild and grow trees on huge areas of land in Wales and Scotland where, currently, sheep and cattle are farmed?
You mention that the freed up land will no longer be used for intensive farming - you realise that arable farming is intensive and will need to remain so if you take away other sources of food like meat without a commercially available substitute.
Where do we get the extra food from if we remove meat and large areas of land are unable to grow crops?
But just like them, I love to eat meat and just like them I also don't care.
Animals belong in two places, outside and in my belly
Soldato
Im the same, Im quite happy eating a nut roast, veggie curries etc. I probably eat a veggie meal once or twice a week. Vegan cheese is also a no no for me, they just dont taste as good
Would you be upset if you saw or even just heard about a dog or cat being gassed to death with carbon dioxide?
Soldato
Cows-in-calf are not slaughtered so this is a pile of nonsense unless for very rare humane reasons like severe injury and it would be cruel to keep them alive and suffering. Do you agree this would be acceptable?
Your source is the RSPCA in AUSTRALIA. Tell me how that relates to the UK and how our practices are the same?
I don't think it is possible to have a healthy vegan diet without humans suffering to cultivate the crops and fruits that are needed. So I don't think there is any moral high ground.
I think you posted a video of a cow being slaughtered in the YouTube thread. I've seen how animals hunt for there food and I've watched animals scream in pain as they are eaten alive, I have watched unborn animals ripped out of their mothers womb and then eaten alive after spending less than a minute on this earth. Its unfortunate that in a slaughter house there deaths are not painless but I am not bothered by it.
I think you posted a video of a cow being slaughtered in the YouTube thread. I've seen how animals hunt for there food and I've watched animals scream in pain as they are eaten alive, I have watched unborn animals ripped out of their mothers womb and then eaten alive after spending less than a minute on this earth. Its unfortunate that in a slaughter house there deaths are not painless but I am not bothered by it.
I'm not totally sure what you are against @Johno please? Is it killing animals at all for food or the industrial nature of modern intensive farming?
I considered it but ultimately I prioritise non processed food over the contents having animal products so it cut off a lot of pre-made items. I didn't feel like I could sustain 100% vegetarian food in a trial where I cooked from scratch every meal and this included fish 1-2x a week, let alone reducing the allowable ingredients to that of being vegan.
You really cant figure out why? Jeez, ok well its not the taste of meat I dislike, its the cruelty.
Yea that was the video that turned me proper vegan tbh. the FSA approved that slaughterhouse (if they even watched it footage I dont know) which I find a bit disturbing.
Indeed, animals eating other animals alive is petty horrific, we don't need to replicate it or do anything similar.
Yea both.
You know how you're most likely against firing a bolt into a dogs head or gassing a cat to death? Well i'm against that for all animals.
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Because a vegan diet makes very little sense for humans. We're omnivores. The optimal diet for our species is one that consists of meat and plant foods.
Veganism is a luxury diet indulged by the affluent West.
Soldato
I have tried a few vegan bits on a vegan stall at a market and the sausage roll from Greggs and imo they were rank.
I know I cannot gauge all vegan food on a trendy stall and a fast food place, but for me I'm not tempted to try more.
I know I cannot gauge all vegan food on a trendy stall and a fast food place, but for me I'm not tempted to try more.
Blimey, you really are that much of a delicate soul! It's perfectly natural and just part of the life/death cycle. I dont find anything upsetting about watching a nature programme with animals eating each other.
I wouldnt be against that if the dog or cat was being processed for food, why would I? I dont suffer from fluffy animal syndrome, life is life whether it's an oyster or a kitten. I would be against it if it was being done for fun, so context matters.
Because cheeseburgers, Mmmm
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