Mmmmmmmm chicken jalfrezi
Mmmmmm beef stewwwwww
Mmmmmmmmmmmm fish pie with potatooooes
Why are you not vegan....
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Mmmmmmmm chicken jalfrezi
Mmmmmm beef stewwwwww
Mmmmmmmmmmmm fish pie with potatooooes
Commissario
So it was a deliberate troll thread then?
It's the classic rebuttal isn't this. Unless you are perfect. Your view is invalid.
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If we aren't supposed to eat animals, why are they made of meat?
This always sounds like a "we should still live in the dark ages"
Why don't we eat each other anymore? Because we've moved on.
This argument only really seems to get applied to this topic.
Man of Honour
What's wrong with that? People are making an effort to cut down. That's better than not making the effort surely?Makes me laugh all this “I’ve cut out 95% of meet” “I’m almost vegetarian” and so on.
It’s like an alcoholic saying they’ve been sober for 20 years but drinks a pint of vodka every Friday night
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Moved on? What should we move on from next?
Sex?
Sleep?
Drinking?
Why should we move on from things that are pleasurable?
Also. Chickens are quite intelligent. Before anyone brings up that argument.
They have strong personalities. My 3 hens are all very different. One of them is very affectionate and loves coming indoors for a cuddle.
Not always.. But when someone has a pet of the animal they used to eat they stop eating that animal at least. Our disconnect from food removes a lot of the guilt.
Everyone should have to witness first hand a slaughter house.
They have strong personalities. My 3 hens are all very different. One of them is very affectionate and loves coming indoors for a cuddle.
Not always.. But when someone has a pet of the animal they used to eat they stop eating that animal at least. Our disconnect from food removes a lot of the guilt.
Everyone should have to witness first hand a slaughter house.
I'm saying the argument of 'we've always done it' isn't an argument. The one you make here is better. If you enjoy it, you accept its cruel etc I get it.
But saying its because we've always done it.. That isn't the reason.
I've moved on from drinking, and I'd absolutely give up sleeping if that was an option! Waste of 7 hours!
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I had the tricky conversation with my son about what food is made of (ie cute animals). He was eating a burger and we talked about how the meat came from cows that were raised and killed to provide the meat; I asked him how he felt about it. He thought about it for a while, shrugged and said that he was a bit sad but they shouldn’t taste so good if they didn’t want to be eaten.
Pretty much sums it up!
Pretty much sums it up!
Makes me laugh all this “I’ve cut out 95% of meet” “I’m almost vegetarian” and so on.
It’s like an alcoholic saying they’ve been sober for 20 years but drinks a pint of vodka every Friday night
Hmmm, post forgets to include any context as to why someone has chosen to do so in the first place, which is the most important part...
Indeed. I don't think anyone is arguing that animal cruelty (in so much as an animal being forced to live and undignified existence up until the point of death) to satisfy a dietary necessity is valid and if they are then I don't really want to know them. You SHOULD care about where your food comes from, as you should care about where your hygiene products come from or your cooking utensils or you energy or your clothes or indeed any product you invest in, but you have to pick your battles as best you can. Not eating meat or choosing to eat less of it isn't a catch all for every straw man argument under the sun. If one decides to give up beef but still eats a KitKat, it doesn't invalidate the moral justification for the former. You do what you can where you can or you don't. The world isn't split between socialist earth lovers' and uncaring capitalist pigs, despite what some people on this forum might think.
OP is right. Vegans have the moral high ground. There is no justifiable reason to eat meat. It’s unnecessary, barbaric, forces animals into suffering, pain and death.
But, this preachy approach isn’t the answer. At home my diet is 99% vegan, the girlfriend is fully vegan so just makes sense. I eat meat now and then when out for dinner but it’s rare. I appreciate my hypocrisy but feel doing something is better than nothing. But I appreciate the vegans are right.
The best thing to bring people round is through food. My best friend has said that “your average vegan food will be better than most peoples best normal food”. I’ve taken friends to vegan (either on purpose or just accidentally) restaurants and they’ve loved it. I’ve taught them you can use veg in place of meat, tofu is amazing if cooked well, and you don’t need a slab of meat on every meal. Teach through food. Not through preaching.
I reiterate, eating meat is wrong. It can’t not be. Why should we be killing animals, torturing them and forcing them to live in servitude. Why do we allow some animals not to live this way, but force others to? It’s not right, and it isn’t defensible. It is however hard to give up something you’ve known, and enjoyed for years. But, just try replacing a few meats with something else. You may even enjoy it!
I hasten to add, some places make it easier than others. When travelling around the UK, im amazed how few vegan options most places have compared to Glasgow. We have loads of fully vegan restaurants, bars, cafes, bakeries, etc. pretty much every restaurant will have MULTIPLE vegan options. I’ve gone to other cities, London, Manchester, Edinburgh, Aberdeen, Belfast, etc etc and they are very poor in comparison. Bristol May be the closest to Glasgow.
But, this preachy approach isn’t the answer. At home my diet is 99% vegan, the girlfriend is fully vegan so just makes sense. I eat meat now and then when out for dinner but it’s rare. I appreciate my hypocrisy but feel doing something is better than nothing. But I appreciate the vegans are right.
The best thing to bring people round is through food. My best friend has said that “your average vegan food will be better than most peoples best normal food”. I’ve taken friends to vegan (either on purpose or just accidentally) restaurants and they’ve loved it. I’ve taught them you can use veg in place of meat, tofu is amazing if cooked well, and you don’t need a slab of meat on every meal. Teach through food. Not through preaching.
I reiterate, eating meat is wrong. It can’t not be. Why should we be killing animals, torturing them and forcing them to live in servitude. Why do we allow some animals not to live this way, but force others to? It’s not right, and it isn’t defensible. It is however hard to give up something you’ve known, and enjoyed for years. But, just try replacing a few meats with something else. You may even enjoy it!
I hasten to add, some places make it easier than others. When travelling around the UK, im amazed how few vegan options most places have compared to Glasgow. We have loads of fully vegan restaurants, bars, cafes, bakeries, etc. pretty much every restaurant will have MULTIPLE vegan options. I’ve gone to other cities, London, Manchester, Edinburgh, Aberdeen, Belfast, etc etc and they are very poor in comparison. Bristol May be the closest to Glasgow.
Yeah, but they also taste nice.
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The OP set the tone for this discussion with his opening post, this is the quality of rebuttal you are going to get
As far as it goes, I have actually reduced my intake of meat generally and red meat specifically for environmental reasons. But if I see a militant vegan trying to attack anyone who does eat meat, I am not going to take them at all seriously and I am going to take the ****.
Some how a chicken breast got into my tesco order a month aho. I was genuinely sad about that with my hens out in garden. Had to eat it. Worse to bin it. It's been years. I did not enjoy it. It's been so long either my mind or taste has been conditioned to not like it.
I'd go so far to say its the seasoning with chicken. Chicken itself (even when I ate it) was quite bland.
We used to have beef etc at Christmas Dinner. Turkey is even worse.
The OP set the tone for this discussion with his opening post, this is the quality of rebuttal you are going to get
As far as it goes, I have actually reduced my intake of meat generally and red meat specifically for environmental reasons. But if I see a militant vegan trying to attack anyone who does eat meat, I am not going to take them at all seriously and I am going to take the ****.
I do agree. Its counter tho the cause. Like any militant types. It does no good. Feminism, blm, lgbt+ etc etc. Pushing it on people is not the way.
Present some facts and let people think about it.
I don't bring animal cruelty up unless someone asks, talks about it, or I see it happen.
Soldato
i need a fry up. all this talk of food is making me hungry.
Well I don't think it is that silly and its too much fun watching there faces click as they realize what they are eating is classed as a living organism that they killed. It really is amazing how many have no idea a plant is a living thing. Those types of Vegetarians on a high horse often remind me of the crazy health types that go on about the benefits of drinking Alkaline Water then add lemon for taste without realizing its no longer Alkaline water once they add lemon. Like I said before I don't want to brush all Vegetarian under the same brush as there are clearly differnt groups and types. Its just an effetive method I found to deal with the moral high horse Vegetarians lecturing everyone around them all the time and acting like they are superior from am moral point of view. Being a Vegetarian is fine but its not automatically superior or a more moral lifestyle and it doesnt need to be pushed in everyone else faces constantly. Its that sub group of Vegetarians that constantly "remind" everyone they are Vegetarians and are always lecturing everyone that I not keen on. The normal everyday Vegetarians who are just asking for a Vegetarian meal are perfectly ok.
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