Why are you not vegan....

dlockers · 4 Jun 2022 at 13:04

How many days do members get suspended for if they murder another? I think it was 10 on SomethingAwful.com

moon man · 4 Jun 2022 at 13:05

Gloves on will do tbh

dlockers · 4 Jun 2022 at 13:08

moon man said:
Gloves on will do tbh

Jokes on you I am a giant sissy in real life

moon man · 4 Jun 2022 at 13:09

Tbh that's not my way either, it just seemed very humourless that's all

Minusorange · 4 Jun 2022 at 13:38

Raymond Lin said:
Surely for a proven statistical health beneficial point of view, you look at the data where millions or hundreds of millions of people who live the longest, you follow their diet? Which is Japanese/Med who are not vegan.

Bhuddist monks say hi

Eating like a Buddhist priest will add years to your life

It was around the 1980s that international longevity statistics established Japanese males and females as the world's top. They have since continued their strong showing. According to World Health Organization statistics for 2018, Japan ranked second among 228 countries and regions in the world...

japantoday.com

andybird123 · 4 Jun 2022 at 13:43

Minusorange said:
Bhuddist monks say hi

Eating like a Buddhist priest will add years to your life

It was around the 1980s that international longevity statistics established Japanese males and females as the world's top. They have since continued their strong showing. According to World Health Organization statistics for 2018, Japan ranked second among 228 countries and regions in the world...

japantoday.com

Buddhist monks are actually allowed to eat meat as long as it hasn't been killed specifically for them. If you are going to follow the diet from the article then you also have to give up alcohol, yeah, no thanks.
There has also been an increase in the availability of processed foods like McDonald's in Japan in the last 40 years, so again, no proof that eating meat shortens life span, only that eating processed foods can.

Freefaller · 4 Jun 2022 at 13:57

Hagar said:
I would say that in probability a vegetarian diet is healthiest, a Mediterranean diet. Pasta and vegetables some cheese and eggs. Add small amounts of oily fish as well.

A vegan diet is much less healthy as it relies a lot on processed foods and lacks essential oils and vitamins. Taking supplements is NOT healthy.

Also a lot of soy based products which contain phytoestrogens that can negatively affect human hormone balance. That said you'd have to eat soy regularly for this to manifest itself.

Freefaller · 4 Jun 2022 at 14:02

andybird123 said:
And how do most people in this country prepare pasta? Do they buy fresh veg/tomatoes and make everything from scratch, or do they buy a packet of pasta and a pot of ready made sauce (also processed food)?

You only have to walk in to any supermarket and see the 1 aisle of fresh food vs. the 10+ aisles of packet/frozen food to realise that the vast majority of people are not going to get any health benefit from giving up meat.

That's because a lot people are lazy in this country when it comes to cooking. Making stuff from scratch doesn't take a huge amount of time (sauces etc.). Admittedly making pasta from scratch can be.

If you go to the continent or spend any time.in the Med most shops have fresh food daily. Also people don't mass buy food. You buy for 2-3 days max at a time. The Brits don't have that habit unfortunately.

Tony Edwards · 4 Jun 2022 at 14:03

Raymond Lin said:
My Nan lived to her mid 90’s, she wasn’t vegan. She ate meat.

Essentially the largest data set shows that eating meat doesn’t reduce your life expectancy, or kill you sooner.

My Granmother died in her late 60s, she wasnt a vegan. She ate meat. She died from stomach cancer.

Vidar said:
Wow, you soy boys really are offensive, obtuse and deluded. If veganism is so healthy, why do your lot on a long enough time line always end up looking like you're dying without huge amounts of supplementation? Let's not forget Heroine and cigarettes are technically vegan. Now, let's talk about those supplements. Do you even realise what a lot of those ingredients actually are?

Have you not thought that those people either werent doing the diet properly or had mental and/or eating disorders? You need to reread your posts they have been some of the most offensive and unintelligent rambling so far and there is a big list. If it was just veganism that did that to them how do you explain the many many people living okay while being vegan? How do you explain the meat eaters that also have eating disorders?

dLockers said:
You forgot the bit where the drug-abusing alcoholic tries to lecture us

Have you read a lot of the replies of the 'meat' eaters. That is some truly ranting nonsense from the usual suspects. Highfive.

Most of the posts from meat eaters sound like they are drunk posting.

Scougar · 4 Jun 2022 at 14:14

We ended up not going to Texas Roadhouse for steak, and had a vegetarian pizza instead. Have you been talking to my wife OP? What is this madness???

Tony Edwards · 4 Jun 2022 at 14:18

Scougar said:
We ended up not going to Texas Roadhouse for steak, and had a vegetarian pizza instead. Have you been talking to my wife OP? What is this madness???

RIP

BIackMagic · 4 Jun 2022 at 14:20

Because I like meat

moon man · 4 Jun 2022 at 14:21

What I have noticed is if we get soya milk at work it lasts ages ,oat milk goes in a few hours,makes such a good coffee and no slaughtering of offspring needed

dlockers · 4 Jun 2022 at 14:25

moon man said:
What I have noticed is if we get soya milk at work it lasts ages ,oat milk goes in a few hours,makes such a good coffee and no slaughtering of offspring needed

The trick I have have found, in tea at least, is to use a fraction of what you'd normally use. The tea will be darker but the taste will be OK.

Freefaller · 4 Jun 2022 at 14:39

moon man said:
What I have noticed is if we get soya milk at work it lasts ages ,oat milk goes in a few hours,makes such a good coffee and no slaughtering of offspring needed

I made the painful journey of giving up dairy but I'm definitely healthier for it (blood and gut flora tests confirm - I'm a fitness fanatic so do regular blood tests and studied a lot about nutrition) and oat milk is amazing, soya is not. I miss cheese a lot. And I do still have fresh butter from the local farm from time to to time, and whilst I don't go out of my way to tell people I avoid dairy I make choices at restaurants based on my dietary needs.

I.e. I won't tell friends or family not to cook with butter or cheese, but avoid it if I can.

moon man · 4 Jun 2022 at 14:43

dLockers said:
The trick I have have found, in tea at least, is to use a fraction of what you'd normally use. The tea will be darker but the taste will be OK.

Tbh I have soya in tea and oat in coffee,oat cream now and again

Scougar · 4 Jun 2022 at 14:46

If there was something with a similar taste to milk for tea and cereal I would possibly use it. Soy milk and other alternatives I have tried just plain suck so far.

Smokey Deza · 4 Jun 2022 at 14:48

Bassmansam said:
Animals kill other animals brutally and then eat them, its not nice for the animal but its nature. Also, animals taste great

Or just eat them alive. There's a channel on YT, Latest Sightings I think. Some stuff on there is so horrific its actually hard to watch.

Efour · 4 Jun 2022 at 15:12

Scougar said:
If there was something with a similar taste to milk for tea and cereal I would possibly use it. Soy milk and other alternatives I have tried just plain suck so far.

Oat milk is pretty good tbh I'll drink it like a normal glass of milk. Pretty good texture and consistency.

I had pea protein milk, mmmm that was different.

I won't buy it unless it's on offer though.

Dyson · 4 Jun 2022 at 15:13

Freefaller said:
I made the painful journey of giving up dairy but I'm definitely healthier for it (blood and gut flora tests confirm - I'm a fitness fanatic so do regular blood tests and studied a lot about nutrition) and oat milk is amazing, soya is not. I miss cheese a lot. And I do still have fresh butter from the local farm from time to to time, and whilst I don't go out of my way to tell people I avoid dairy I make choices at restaurants based on my dietary needs.

I.e. I won't tell friends or family not to cook with butter or cheese, but avoid it if I can.

Exactly what I did a number of years ago, and found the health benefits to not be life changing, but were definitely there so never went back.