There's a reason though that there wasn't vegan options back in the day, veganism makes zero sense. It's a lifestyle that is not sustainable and is not healthy by itself. Any diet that requires supplementation is not healthy by its definition.
Why do vegans initially see health improvements, because they give up a lot more than just meat. The reduction of heavily processed foods is going to have a huge benefit to people's health. Yet as a general rule they blame the meat.
Once people see the long term effects of veganism which may take decades, just like smoking it will stop being recommended for health.
The many studies done on a plant based diet would disagree with you, do you think if you keep saying its "unhealthy and not sustainable" that its going to become true or something?
So all the vegans that have been on a plant based diet for decades are some sort of living miracles then? Out of everyone posting here, you talk the most crap xD
Maybe primarily city folk will never understand that, but that's the way it is and has been for millennia. The alternative is cattle, sheep, chickens, goats and so on going extinct, as if nobody is farming them then nobody is protecting them from foxes, dogs and diseases such as TB.
We kill badgers because they threaten the money involved in farming, and don't forget these animals only exist because weve bred them this way.
Would you rather your tail chopped off, teeth "trimmed" then live inside for 4months never seeing grass only to be gassed to death? Or just not exist?
Second quote Veganism is an ideology correct it has nothing to do with human health but the whole protecting animals from abuse/killer arguments doesn't work now people will ask why it's simple a vegan being alive is causing harm to animals the only way to help them is for you to die.
Now I know people will say this is extreme but it's not how can you live the vegan way without insects or animals you can't take a look at how food is produced and this is when you look into other areas not nutrition.
Third quote this straight away shows you know 0 on the subject of nutrition using calories as an argument maybe you should learn what a "calorie" is before putting out a claim like this.
Fourth quote If you are eating a correct diet why would you need to supplement? If millions of people drink own urine it's fine as well is it? this argument makes 0 sense and people take all these because they have been tricked to do so.
Fifth quote answered already and already countered it another one you are incorrect on.
I would like to point out I do have a qualification in nutrition and it is meaningless also I have family members who run a farm.
Closing point the pictures you posted are useless for a start the first one is the person known as Vegan Gains (Richard Burgess) who you can be looked up easily and see he has health issues plus is taking juice.
That same guy has claimed to know science like yourself yet can't even understand basics also people who are trained in the field have called him out many times the same with all you vegans yet you run away.
I'm well aware of who he is and yes hes a bit of a loon. I posted studies from legit sources to counter claims that living on a plant based diet is "unhealthy" that's all.
Because B12 comes from bacteria in the ground or unsanitized water which are consumed by the animals. Also many meat eaters also need B12 supplements, there was a guy talking about it in this very thread. Anyone who eats cereals will also be supplementing B12. https://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/VitaminB12-HealthProfessional/
I posted the pictures of normal looking people on plant based diets because Vidar posted extremely thin people claiming that's vegans will end up like. When in fact they're just people who are not eating enough food.
And finally, yea we all cause harm by just existing, its about causing the least harm we can and thats why I went vegan.
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