Caporegime
Insects have rights too
And I'm not saying insects are less important. We are talking suffering here.
I don't care when I kill a single fly because it's annoying me at night because despite chasing it around the room for 20 minutes it still refuses to see the open window I'm shooting it towards. I also don't feel remorse when I kill an animal for food, or eat something that someone else has killed.
I don't anthropomorphise a potato, nor a pig, cow, chicken, it's all food.
All living things "suffer", even plants have distress signals they use to communicate with itself and other nearby plants. Most farm animals (at least in the UK) live fairly amenable lives, and then they get killed, even if we left them to roam wild they would still end up dying, arguably in far more suffering over a longer period of time, I'd rather go quickly than have it drag on for days or months .
It is just completely arbitrary that you've chosen to anthropomorphise a pig or cow, but not other biological things.
Insects are more vital to our survival than animals, but you are placing animals (that would actually cease to exist if we didn't rear them for food) over insects, it's bizarre. It's completely illogical.
You're even suggesting we enslave the insects we need for food production and wipe out all the rest, have you even listened to yourself, you sound completely unhinged.
They'd be bred and contained in the equivalent of farms.
Their red meat consumption is much lower than most European countries and almost a third of US consumption.Then explain why Japan, with a population of 120mil, double of ours, 90%+ meat eaters, have the world's highest average life expectancy?
Their red meat consumption is much lower than most European countries and almost a third of US consumption.
Then that's just a mark against red meat. It's not a tick for veganism.Their red meat consumption is much lower than most European countries and almost a third of US consumption.
It's like when meat eaters are up in arms about dogs being lunch in some countries,hypocritical when a pig or cow has the same or more awareness of fear and pain ,at least we are universal in our beliefs that no animal should be killed
It's like when meat eaters are up in arms about dogs being lunch in some countries,hypocritical when a pig or cow has the same or more awareness of fear and pain ,at least we are universal in our beliefs that no animal should be killed
There has been multiple studies into red/processed meat consumption and heart disease and other conditions. Japan consumes around half the red meat compared to most European countries and the US. Yes they eat meat, but in smaller quantities than rest of world. Your statement was simply that Japan eats meat so why do they live so long, but there are many factors such as less meat, better healthcare, great social care for elderly, continuing social engagement of older people within their family and society at large. The list is much larger - life expectancy is a complex equation, not just do they ever eat meat.Then that's just a mark against red meat. It's not a tick for veganism.
Not to mention the US eat far more than just red meat, there is also the whole processed meat diet. There are the larger portions, the sugars etc. Go check out a vending machine in Japan, you will see mostly tea and coffee on sale, perhaps 1 out of 20 are actual sugar pop.
There are so many more factors also involved, but the largest statistic is that the Japanese eats meat over 90% in their population and they have the longest life expectancy. Again, this fact is not disputed and cannot be disputed. They do eat meat and they live the longest. Just logic will tell you that it must other than eating meat which causes Americans die sooner.
There has been multiple studies into red/processed meat consumption and heart disease and other conditions. Japan consumes around half the red meat compared to most European countries and the US. Yes the eat meat, but in smaller quantities than rest of world. Your statement was simply that Japan eats meat why do they live so long, but there are many factors such as less meat, better healthcare, great social care for elderly, continuing social engagement of older people within their family and society at large. The list is much larger - life expectancy is a complex equation, not just do they ever eat meat.
Definitely can't say that ,all I can say is that I minimise my impact where I can now .You can't say that unless you are 100% guarantee that you have ZERO animal products in your house like leather belts, shoes, wallets.......are you up in arms against yourself in the mirror?
the vegans are saying a vegan diet is healthier, without providing context, Japan proves thats not true as also without contextThere has been multiple studies into red/processed meat consumption and heart disease and other conditions. Japan consumes around half the red meat compared to most European countries and the US. Yes they eat meat, but in smaller quantities than rest of world. Your statement was simply that Japan eats meat so why do they live so long, but there are many factors such as less meat, better healthcare, great social care for elderly, continuing social engagement of older people within their family and society at large. The list is much larger - life expectancy is a complex equation, not just do they ever eat meat.
Definitely can't say that ,all I can say is that I minimise my impact where I can now .
I also feel pretty bad for the meat (animals) I did consume before I switched
You do realise this applies to the meat industry as well, an industry where 77% of agricultural land is dedicated to it, so they're not really good points to use for an argument of why you shouldn't be veggie/vegan
What horrible advice to give
I can’t stand the smell of the butchers area in a market. Good job that the smell goes when meat is cooked.well i left this thread but i think its important to say that personally the look and smell of raw meat (dead animal) turns my stomach ,
as said in my earlier post team meat on here is showing massive cognitive dissonance with ridiculously flawed arguments and the" look at me i eat lots of meat and have zero empathy "brigade.
Look at the fat content of vegan meat replacements. I’m sure I saw a vegan burger with 4x fat than a skinny meat burger.the vegans are saying a vegan diet is healthier, without providing context, Japan proves thats not true as also without context
shop bought "vegan food" is just as bad as the other processed food it replaces, when vegans say "vegan food is healthier" they mean "whole food is healthier", but do you only buy fresh food or do you buy "vegan food" from the supermarket?
It's not just RED meat, nor is vegan the solution to make people live longer.
The FACT and this is a FACT! is that Japanese do eat meat and they live the longest and as you and I both said, there are more factors involved other than meat...which means if there are other factors other than just meat then why is veganism being pushed as the EXCUSE that you will live longer? When you stated there are OTHER factors?
Surely it's OTHER factors, rather than just meat which makes people don't live as long? Then why do people blame meat as the reason for shorter life expectancy?
There is no one factor that can explain longer life expectancy, or what makes a healthy diet. Japan do eat meat, but in small quantities, conversely they actually eat less fresh goods than a lot of other developed countries. It is balanced by more fish and less highly processed food. But this alone does not explain their longer life expectancy.the vegans are saying a vegan diet is healthier, without providing context, Japan proves thats not true as also without context
shop bought "vegan food" is just as bad as the other processed food it replaces, when vegans say "vegan food is healthier" they mean "whole food is healthier", but do you only buy fresh food or do you buy "vegan food" from the supermarket?
Wouldn't surprise me ,my motive is ethical not health driven but sure you can still eat rubbish .today at work I have Tesco no sausage rolls ,cashews and blueberries ,item 1 is probably unhealthyLook at the fat content of vegan meat replacements. I’m sure I saw a vegan burger with 4x fat than a skinny meat burger.