Caporegime
- Joined
- 20 Oct 2002
- Posts
- 75,940
- Location
- Wish i was in a Ramen Shop Counter
You are trying your best, I applaud you.There is my answer then - all absolutely solid facts and you have decided to declare them 'irrelevant' - so you're not going to engage.
It's a very sad time we live in, people choose to ignore facts when they hate what the facts say - we can't continue to debate because you have closed yourself off to reality.
You're also skewing the debate now - now your trying to say plant/meat diets are all with the only target being to live longest - that's irrelevant, ironically, you can die a million other ways before old age, and has nothing to do with the fact we are designed to eat plants - your point is in no way related to what I am saying.
You'll hate me even more for saying it, you don't need meat to live, fact, but you'll just disagree, why do people even bother debating any more, we live in a 'only my way is the right way' society and are closed off to others - even others with the backing of science.
And then to say slaughtering an innocent animal has nothing to do with morality is really quite a sick and disturbing comment - your character disturbs me.
As for your hypocritical point - yes you're absolutely right, I cannot live on this planet without impacting it or 'taking' from it, to sustain myself and what I need to do to exist in a society based on a monetary capitalist system.
Scary times.
PS: I have gone out of my way to not have ANY animal products in my home (thank you for making that point sir !!) - in simple terms I can only try my best - I am sure a man of your intelligence can understand trying ones best vs factual reality. Before I learned about the harm eating meat does, further, the animal abuse and environmental damage I did have such things - instead of throwing them out and buying new (wasteful), I kept items until they wore out - and any replacements I have are plant based only.
Clothing mostly cotton, wallet vegan leather, shoes are vegan cactus (who knew you can make leather from a cactus plant!), bags synthetic materials, car seat is cloth/synthetic - my office chair I made sure also had no animal components - camera strap is neoprene - which I must research now, as I honestly don't know if that's plant based.
I hope you found the latter half of my reply kind of useful rather than attacking.
EDIT: Neoprene isn't animal based, a polymer synthetic - good!
But why do you find the need to push your ideas onto others?
There are a few things in your post that stands out.
1 - You meantion that "only my way is the right way"
Do you know how you sound now? yes...you sound like the person you are describing.
2 - when you mention animal, why put the word innocent before it? Do you do that when a cat bring in a mouse? Why is my character disrubing? Because i eat meat?
This is EXACTLY, and I mean exactly why most people detest vegans (those that push their ideas onto others through "morals"), why all the memes exists. It's stuff like that, to judge people who eat meat as bad people because I ate a 2% tinned chicken soup last week (which was 5 months out of date by the way! I hate to waste food!), and I am "disturbing". It's not like I just went into a classroom with a semi automatic and let rip. Am I being dramatic? Are you being dramatic?
All the other good things that I do doesn't count, I am judged by the fact that I eat meat? No, I will not apologise for it. In fact, it is you who should be ashamed to even bring that up to people, it's a disgusting human trait. I would hope you don't do that in real life, I am sure you don't, because it really put people off.
Don't believe me, try go down the street, walk pass the butchers and shout at them what you just called me. Go to an ice cream place and shout at the girl working there.
Morals apply to more than not eating meat, it applies how you speak to other people. Eat your veg, be nice. As my mother say.