Why are you not vegan....

[Johno please?]

I have a feeling this thread hasn’t quite gone the way Johno was hoping it would

Its surpassed my expectations tbh who wants to live in an echo chamber anyway? id use twitter if I wanted that, I don't ever remember getting this upset when I saw posts from vegans on social media when I ate meat

If meat was bannned tomorrow, do you have visions of all the millions and millions of animals just spending the rest of their lives grazing happily in a field?

That would be nice wouldn't it, the world isn't nice though.

I envisage animals being looked after in sanctuaries as we swap over to maybe lab grown meats but I dunno, I just do what I can personally.

 

[robfosters]

Its surpassed my expectations tbh who wants to live in an echo chamber anyway? id use twitter if I wanted that, I don't ever remember getting this upset when I saw posts from vegans on social media when I ate meat



That would be nice wouldn't it, the world isn't nice though.

I envisage animals being looked after in sanctuaries as we swap over to maybe lab grown meats but I dunno, I just do what I can personally.

Sanctuaries lol. Absolutely no chance, there’s not enough sanctuaries in the universe.

The abattoirs would be working constantly for months killing them all.

 

[Resident]

You forgot sausages

PIGS IN BLANKETS !

 

[Johno please?]

Palm oil is used in a lot, lot more products than just "animal products" and you've probably been in contact and/or eaten it recently; worth reading up on its uses rather than simply regurgitating nonsense.

Edit - Worth adding, i believe majority of palm oil used in the UK is from sustainable sources but still.....

It is yea but mainly its breads/biscuits/margarine etc but I honestly don't think i've consumed it in ages.

But I'll reiterate, Veganism is about as far as is possible to exclude all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose.

 

[robfosters]

PIGS IN BLANKETS !

And the thought of no lovely ham off the bone is a sad one

 

[dowie]

You've made assumptions (wrongly) that all the people who buy / eat meat have done zero research into the food that they eat.

That's the funny part, which seems to be a bit of projection on the OPs part, I'm kinda amused by it - how does someone see say some chickens or a field of cows and not realise until well into adulthood why there are very few males ones!

 

[Uther]

The argument of only eating what you would be comfortable killing is quite a valid one. I suspect there would be a fair few more vegetarians/vegans if people had to kill an animal.
I have no idea how anyone could ever stomach working in an abbatoir.

 

[robfosters]

The argument of only eating what you would be comfortable killing is quite a valid one. I suspect there would be a fair few more vegetarians/vegans if people had to kill an animal.
I have no idea how anyone could ever stomach working in an abbatoir.

A lot of abbatoir workers start young as it is often a family business. They’re used to it from a young age and quickly become desensitised.

 

[dowie]

Veganism is about as far as is possible to exclude all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose.

Aspects of it seem pointless when it's just stopping the exploitation of for eggs laid by a rescue hen etc. sure the animals have technically been "exploited" but realistically there isn't really much of a cruelty argument if the hen was otherwise due to be killed because it's old/doesn't lay so frequently.

Likewise, not eating muscles, oysters, scallops etc. if you can eat plants or fungus then why not eat those too?

 

[Uther]

A lot of abbatoir workers start young as it is often a family business. They’re used to it from a young age and quickly become desensitised.

I think they would have to. I couldn't ever imagine killing a lamb, a pig or a cow. And I doubt many here for all their bravado would find it pleasant either.

 

[dlockers]

Your choices have victims. If there was no meat industry, do you realise how many people would descend into hardship and poverty?

Protect the coal miners and whale fishers

 

[Pigeon_Killer]

This thread made me question why Beef sauce isn't a thing, not like gravy but like Ketchup.

 

[BDEE]

OP are you one of those Insulate Britain nutters who alienates everyone and turns them off to their message because they just shout at people about how bad they are?

Certainly come across that way.

 

[dlockers]

This thread made me question why Beef sauce isn't a thing, not like gravy but like Ketchup.

Isn't that basically what Bolognese is?

 

[visibleman]

I envisage animals being looked after in sanctuaries as we swap over to maybe lab grown meats but I dunno, I just do what I can personally.

Back in reality, you would end up with mass culling and various species becoming borderline extinct unfortunately.

It is yea but mainly its breads/biscuits/margarine etc but I honestly don't think i've consumed it in ages.

Palm oil is used in a metric **** ton of products and industries, certainly more than simple foods like "breads/biscuits/margarine etc"; think biodiesel, soaps and cosmetics - if you've used moisturiser, shampoo or washing liquid then there's a good chance that it will have a form of palm oil in it.
As said, you probably have consumed it, most likely without knowing unfortunately.

 

[Pigeon_Killer]

Isn't that basically what Bolognese is?

Nah, that's mainly tomatoes. I'm on about blended cow in a bottle you can squeeze over stuff.

 

[bainbridge]

I've frequently thought about it, but my desire to eat meat is greater than my desire to not eat it. I don't like industrial farming and really should think about where the food I eat is sourced. But I'd still eat meat.

Nearly bought black pudding today when I went to buy burgers for weekend BBQ.

 

[visibleman]

Nah, that's mainly tomatoes. I'm on about blended cow in a bottle you can squeeze over stuff.

Surely just grab a bottle of beef liquid flavouring?

https://www.nestleprofessional.co.uk/chef/beef-liquid-concentrate

 

[CaptainRAVE]

and to survive a climate catastrophe we will need to drastically reduce meat and dairy consumption, so yes useful humans can survive on a vegan diet

No, we’ll have to reduce the population. A vegan diet won’t magically save the planet.

 

[robfosters]

No, we’ll have to reduce the population. A vegan diet won’t magically save the planet.

I’ve seen articles saying everyone switching to vegan would reduce worldwide mortality rate by 10%. That would be a disaster.

Its a sad fact, people have to die for this planet to survive.