Why are you not vegan....

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Tony Edwards said:
Thank god that has stopped. I only replied because i was trying to be polite.
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I have to look through my junk mail folder to see the authentication codes from OcUK, so I'm now seeing many of the junk emails I previously ignored. The usual mix of scams, claims I've won a lottery I never entered, penis-growing pills, magic berries that cause instant olympic athelete level fitness, etc. You know the stuff.

Every one of them is a lot more believable than the claim you make above. Even the magic berries ones.
 
andybird123 said:
That's the exact opposite of what has happened. A vegan has started this thread calling all omnivores "animal abusers", that is literally in the opening post. If we're supposed to "let it be" then perhaps the vegans should stop just making stuff up and quoting "science" that even the writers of said "science" have admitted they miscalculated, whilst telling people not to do things which are far less harmful the environment they profess to want to protect from "meat eaters" who actually harm the environment about 6-8 times less than the other things the vegans do.
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lol. For about the 10th time I said, "if you buy meat/dairy then you pay for animal abuse"
 
LOL Chef decides to turn one of the best NYC restaurants vegan:


Chandler Yerves had wanted to work at Eleven Madison Park since he was 14 years old. After all, it had been named the best restaurant in the world, counted Leonardo DiCaprio and Martha Stewart as fans, and had pioneered decadent culinary techniques like its celery root braised in pig's bladder and honey lavender roast duck.
So when Yerves was hired in May 2021 after showing up on a broken ankle to beg for a job, he was elated. Eleven Madison Park had been closed for 15 months during the coronavirus pandemic. Not only did Yerves have the opportunity to finally work there, but he had the rare chance to launch its brand-new vegan tasting menu. It was a chef's dream.
Or it was until the day he found himself running around the streets of New York holding a ruler.

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When $62,500 in PPP loans and rent forgiveness put reopening back on the table, Humm decided to relaunch it as a 100% vegan restaurant in June 2021. He said he wanted to "redefine luxury as an experience that serves a higher purpose."

The reviews were brutal from the start. In September, Ryan Sutton wrote in Eater that Humm "doesn't yet appear to fully possess the palate, acumen, or cultural awareness" to pull off the vegetable-centric meal, while the New York Post declared that veganism "might be ruining" Humm's career. Perhaps most scathing was the New York Times restaurant critic Pete Wells' review in September, in which he wrote the vegetables were "so obviously standing in for meat or fish that you almost feel sorry for them." A heavily hyped beet dish, he wrote, "tastes like Lemon Pledge and smells like a burning joint." Wells capped off the critique by revealing the private dining room still served meat, "a secret room where the rich eat roasted tenderloin while everybody else gets an eggplant canoe."
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Oh but not for the elites in the private dining room... :D
 
Freefaller said:
That's laudable and I support and praise you for your attitude it's spot on.

You must have done some extensive research and food prep to gain muscle mass though, but I'm certain you will have dropped body fat and thus also enhance your physique. Vegan bodybuilders do ok, but they supplement the **** out of everything they can, and take a lot of shakes and vitamins (and let's not beat around the bush, the phenomenal ones are on gear).

Then again non vegans take lots of supplements too so not suggesting it's bad. However gaining muscle mass and not damaging your oestrogen and testosterone balance on vegan only diet required phenomenal patience and preparation.

Good on you for doing that! As an avid fitness freak I do explore vegetarian options, but they're definitely not vegan! Eggs are just too important for me (2-3 a day on average!).
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Have a liking for nuts tbh ,today at work 3 protein bars 10 g protein each and 125 g of cashew at about 25 g protein,then fruit but lunch and tea as well so definitely get my quota
 
moon man said:
Have a liking for nuts tbh ,today at work 3 protein bars 10 g protein each and 125 g of cashew at about 25 g protein,then fruit but lunch and tea as well so definitely get my quota
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Yep nuts are awesome. I get through several kilos a month - brazil nuts in particular are very good.

sucks if you're allergic to nuts! :D
 
As said I don't do it for health but my daily cashews are in rapeseed oil ,not planned but when I Google..............
However, an excess of omega-6 can lead to some inflammation in the body. Fortunately, you can find a balanced ratio of omega-3 and omega-6 fats at a 1:2 ratio in rapeseed oil, which experts believe is ideal.
 
Ahleckz said:
You’ll end up radioactive eating that amount of nuts!

www.medicinenet.com

How Many Brazil Nuts Are Radiation Poisoning? Chart, Health Benefits

Consuming two to three Brazil nuts per day is unlikely to pose a health risk; however, eating 50 or more nuts a day may cause radiation toxicity.
www.medicinenet.com www.medicinenet.com
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I don't eat just brazil nuts clearly. It's a mixed bag with almonds, brazil, cashews, pecans, walnuts, peanuts, hazelnuts etc... so whilst an interesting article, absolutely irrelevant,.
 
katie279 said:
Assume this was aimed at me as I posted that and it clearly flew miles above your head, as did the 12+ citations I gave, as did the neurological definitions I gave - despite your jibes, I have a degree in a neuroscience discipline, so I know exactly I'm talking about - whereas, as pointed out by all and sundry, you are spouting amygdala-laden emotional vents...

I didn't 'try' to claim that animals don't feel pain the same way humans do - I assumed it was patently self-evident from over 100 years of science. I get you might not grasp the fundamental differences between the brains of a cow and a human, for example - but come on, you must be able to fathom even a layman's common-sense understanding. I mean, forgetting the radically different regional-developments of the two brains - including the key centres involved in pain perception (which I've outlined in previous post), even a butcher could tell the difference! I mean you can visibly see the gyri and sulci variances, you can hold one in each of your hands and tell one weighs almost three times the amount of the other!

And yet, you genuinely believe there is no difference in how they experience pain......? A human's brain has hyper-developed to consist of ~2% of our body-weight, yet you are comparing to animals that it accounts for less than 0.1%. It truly is a childish understanding - and I don't mean it emotionally as you did, I just mean it genuinely precludes 2nd year biology at school.

Now, this isn't degree-level precision, but I'm starting with the basics - do you really believe all the brains below can 'feel pain' - or indeed any other cognitive process the same as a human brain?

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It's very hard to respond when you're starting from such a base position - there's some really interesting stuff here, but you have to be willing to listen.

To talk more 'OCUK', this is like someone in the forums arguing that their ATI Radeon 9700 Pro is 'just as able' to render games as an RTX 3090 - again you could just give both cards to a layman and even if they had no idea about computers, they'd be able to a) spot a fundamental difference and b) estimate which is the most powerful and c) conclude that they would render graphics very differently....

To the same analogy, at no point have I said other animals can't feel pain, just like these two cards can both render, but they are totally different experiences.....


To the many, many posts that others have repeated - I've got no issue with vegan/vegetarianism or any other diet trend/fad, but I don't have much time for preaching or unscientific assumption.
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"She can talk brillantly upon any subject provided she knows nothing about it.”
― Oscar Wilde
 
I've been Vegan for almost 3 months, decided to switch for ethical and health reasons.

Can't stand the Vegans who try to shove the agenda down everyone else's throat and question them on why they aren't Vegan. It's a lifestyle choice and if you want to educate people on the topic then do so in a logical manner and be respectful of their choices. Got nothing against meat eaters and never will - I don't have to live with their life choices nor do they mine. If anyone asks me why I went Vegan I keep it very simple and if they want to learn more about my choices I share information - again up to them to decide what they want to do with that.

On the plus side, feeling much more energetic and better overall both physically and mentally.
 
moon man said:
Have a liking for nuts tbh ,today at work 3 protein bars 10 g protein each and 125 g of cashew at about 25 g protein,then fruit but lunch and tea as well so definitely get my quota
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The quota you refer to is more complicated because protein isn't one thing. It's framed as such, but it isn't. There are a vast number of different proteins and they're not at all interchangeable. At an extreme, it's possible to eat as much as 5 times your daily quota of protein and still be deficient in protein. Your body doesn't directly use the proteins you eat - it recycles them into the amino acids they're made from and uses those amino acids to make the proteins it needs. So the protein quota you refer to is actually a number of different amino acid quotas. Your body can make some of the amino acids itself from other stuff, but not all of them. It's essential to get some of the amino acids from food and drink. The use of a single protein quota as a simplification works well enough with animal proteins as they use amino acids in about the same proportions as humans need, but it doesn't work very well with plant proteins because they don't.

I'm not saying it's impossible to get enough of all the amino acids solely from plants. It is possible. But it requires more knowledge and more care over diet. The "it's all protein" simplification doesn't work well enough with plants. You need to get proteins from different plants in the relevant proportions, which works because different plants can have different amino acid profiles.

Some nuts are a great basis for it, though. You can quite reasonably get enough of all but a couple of essential amino acids from a few different nuts alone (and cashews are amongst the best, so you're on a winner there since you obvously like them).
 
Kanpai said:
I've been Vegan for almost 3 months, decided to switch for ethical and health reasons.

Can't stand the Vegans who try to shove the agenda down everyone else's throat and question them on why they aren't Vegan. It's a lifestyle choice and if you want to educate people on the topic then do so in a logical manner and be respectful of their choices. Got nothing against meat eaters and never will - I don't have to live with their life choices nor do they mine. If anyone asks me why I went Vegan I keep it very simple and if they want to learn more about my choices I share information - again up to them to decide what they want to do with that.

On the plus side, feeling much more energetic and better overall both physically and mentally.
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Get outta here with your logic and reason, you're ruining a perfectly good bicker session :mad:
 
Angilion said:
The quota you refer to is more complicated because protein isn't one thing. It's framed as such, but it isn't. There are a vast number of different proteins and they're not at all interchangeable. At an extreme, it's possible to eat as much as 5 times your daily quota of protein and still be deficient in protein. Your body doesn't directly use the proteins you eat - it recycles them into the amino acids they're made from and uses those amino acids to make the proteins it needs. So the protein quota you refer to is actually a number of different amino acid quotas. Your body can make some of the amino acids itself from other stuff, but not all of them. It's essential to get some of the amino acids from food and drink. The use of a single protein quota as a simplification works well enough with animal proteins as they use amino acids in about the same proportions as humans need, but it doesn't work very well with plant proteins because they don't.

I'm not saying it's impossible to get enough of all the amino acids solely from plants. It is possible. But it requires more knowledge and more care over diet. The "it's all protein" simplification doesn't work well enough with plants. You need to get proteins from different plants in the relevant proportions, which works because different plants can have different amino acid profiles.

Some nuts are a great basis for it, though. You can quite reasonably get enough of all but a couple of essential amino acids from a few different nuts alone (and cashews are amongst the best, so you're on a winner there since you obvously like them).
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Fantastic post with actual good science. You'd fit it in well with the gym nutrition people :)
 
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