Wii: Manhunt 2 - Withdrawn

Johnnytoxic · 20 Jun 2007 at 13:05

Fact is kids will get hold of this game whether it's from little johnny's mate who has irresponsible parents or any other way they can.

Age ratings can only do so much. After witnessing the first game this is one case that I am glad of the outcome.

divine` · 20 Jun 2007 at 14:08

monkeysmith said:
Isnt the BBC story twisted. That murder that was inspired by manhunt was a load of rubbish. Wasn't it the murdered kid that had the game and not the murderer?

I think so.

The same case that the police officially cited the motive as being that of robbery/mugging whatever and the kids parents started shouted about video games being the root of all evil.

Matteysan · 20 Jun 2007 at 14:17

johnnyfive said:
Fact is kids will get hold of this game whether it's from little johnny's mate who has irresponsible parents or any other way they can.

Age ratings can only do so much. After witnessing the first game this is one case that I am glad of the outcome.

Your glad of the outcome? How long till they start banning other games with blood/swearing/other adult orientated stuff in it. Come on please it's just a game, we'll be heading the way of germany in a few years.

n3crius · 20 Jun 2007 at 14:22

Mattey1 said:
Your glad of the outcome? How long till they start banning other games with blood/swearing/other adult orientated stuff in it. Come on please it's just a game, we'll be heading the way of germany in a few years.

Surely there has to be a limit on content? Where do you draw the line?

McManicMan · 20 Jun 2007 at 14:26

FTM said:
I think the BBFC would say a film like SAW or Hostel is different because you are detached from the violence and mutilation

in this game you are the perpetrator of the violence and torture..they were describing strangling people and sawing somebodys head off with the motion sensing capabilities of the wii controller..to me thats not really a game..its not entertainment..

agree, and glad its banned for the Wii, its at that point it is no longer a game, BUT at that point they should still be able to release it on ps2 ect,ect as the motion active stuff isn't the same as a button press and thus the game does not become interactive when you just press a button and your not actually acting out the movement

RuMp3l4$k1n · 20 Jun 2007 at 14:30

I think the line is different depending on wether you regard videogames as entertainment or an artform. If it is the latter then I think that it should follow a model of other artforms where there a very few taboos left, those that are left are also often challenged.

*edit* I also find it interesting that there have been many posts across various internet forums saying that the Wii could not provide a realistic experience such as the 360/ps3 because of its lack of graphical horsepower. Yet now some people feel it is providing too realistic an experience, interesting indeed.

durbs · 20 Jun 2007 at 14:55

n3crius said:
Surely there has to be a limit on content? Where do you draw the line?

Dunno, but i'm pretty sure that line is way before the likes of Manhunt from what i've seen of it.

Mebbe its because i'm getting old now but i find that sort of content appalling, unnecessary and i hope they make an example of Rockstar in this case. I dont want my kids (or anyone elses kids for that matter) exposed to this sort of thing.

dustiestrat · 20 Jun 2007 at 15:02

durbs said:
Dunno, but i'm pretty sure that line is way before the likes of Manhunt from what i've seen of it.

Mebbe its because i'm getting old now but i find that sort of content appalling, unnecessary and i hope they make an example of Rockstar in this case. I dont want my kids (or anyone elses kids for that matter) exposed to this sort of thing.

dont buy it for them then there is a point to the age restriction . it really gets on my nerves when a parent buys a 18 games for there 12-16 yr olds then starts complaining its to violent.

anyway i think should be banned from the wii because the fact to say saw a man head of you have to make sawing motion with the wiimote makes it more realistic in a different sense to graphics.

durbs · 20 Jun 2007 at 15:35

dustiestrat said:
dont buy it for them then there is a point to the age restriction . it really gets on my nerves when a parent buys a 18 games for there 12-16 yr olds then starts complaining its to violent.

Its not really an age restriction issue, i dont think content of this type should be produced full stop and question the psyche of anyone who thinks that is an entertaining way to while away a few hours. But realistically though, who over 18 is going to play this? No-one. They've squarely aimed it at kids.

And we wonder why society is going down the sh1tter....

Johnnytoxic · 20 Jun 2007 at 15:55

Grand Theft Auto could get messy with how much better the graphics and detail are getting. Like Rockstar say running over people doesn't feel like fun anymore ( Not like it should be ever lol ) .

Will GTA be safe from the BBFC this time?

PiKe · 20 Jun 2007 at 15:59

johnnyfive said:
Grand Theft Auto could get messy with how much better the graphics and detail are getting. Like Rockstar say running over people doesn't feel like fun anymore ( Not like it should be ever lol ) .

Will GTA be safe from the BBFC this time?

Maybe hitting someone damages your car now, and you'll just end up chugging to a halt.

Alex_L · 20 Jun 2007 at 16:18

durbs said:
Its not really an age restriction issue, i dont think content of this type should be produced full stop and question the psyche of anyone who thinks that is an entertaining way to while away a few hours. But realistically though, who over 18 is going to play this? No-one. They've squarely aimed it at kids.

And we wonder why society is going down the sh1tter....

How is this content any worse than ultra-violent films or for that matter books that describe violence in graphic detail. To say no-one over 18 would be interested in playing this is absolute nonsense. You just have to look at the popularity of violence in film and television to see that people find it entertaining. It doesn't mean that anyone who watches a film like saw or hostel will suddenly decide to go out an perpetrate similar acts of violence.

A game like this is an easy target for the media, simply because of the perception amongst huge parts of the media and public that the only people that play games are children, which simply isn't true. Films like hostel were released in cinemas with barely a noise in the press, in my opinion because film is a much more established type of media with a much wider audience. People also seem to take age ratings for films seriously, whereas plenty of parents don't seem to regard game ratings in the same way, but that is the fault of the bbfc and governement for not making it clear in the media and on packaging that an 18 rated game has content the same as an 18 rated film.

PiKe · 20 Jun 2007 at 16:24

You have to recognise there is a difference between being an onlooker (watching a film) and participating (by playing a game) though.

Alex_L · 20 Jun 2007 at 16:31

PiKe said:
You have to recognise there is a difference between being an onlooker (watching a film) and participating (by playing a game) though.

How is it that different? I hit a punch bag down the gym, it doesn't make me want to go and fight people in the street. I've been paintballing and I don't feel the need to go and shoot someone. What about arcade games with light-guns? You're holding a pistol and shooting at zombies on screen?

The mind is a powerful thing, and to say that waving an oblong remote in a sawing motion is much worse than watching someone take a chainsaw to someones head in a film I think is a bit of a stretch.

PiKe · 20 Jun 2007 at 16:34

meh.

I was watching 18 films long before I was 18 and I'm fine so what do I know.

I'm going to kill you all now.

Just to add the fact the game is banned doesnt bother me one way or the other, had it been GTA, I would have been bothered though, but this sadistic game (judging from what I hear) really is no great loss.

Alex_L · 20 Jun 2007 at 16:44

PiKe said:
meh.

I was watching 18 films long before I was 18 and I'm fine so what do I know.

I'm going to kill you all now.

Just to add the fact the game is banned doesnt bother me one way or the other, had it been GTA, I would have been bothered though, but this sadistic game (judging from what I hear) really is no great loss.

I'm the same. I don't even like gory films like saw and the game doesn't particularly interest me, but I think censorship of this kind is a slippery slope, especially when other forms of media that present similar if not worse kinds of violence yet pass censors without such controversy.

EvilGrin · 20 Jun 2007 at 17:05

BUSH said:
I'm the same. I don't even like gory films like saw and the game doesn't particularly interest me, but I think censorship of this kind is a slippery slope, especially when other forms of media that present similar if not worse kinds of violence yet pass censors without such controversy.

Its the fact that videogame censorship isn't policed to anywhere near the same level as that of movies that's the problem. Their system is a heap of junk and so this is them covering their arses due to the fact their regulation has little to no effect. Sucks, but true nonetheless.

Alex_L · 20 Jun 2007 at 17:24

EvilGrin said:
Its the fact that videogame censorship isn't policed to anywhere near the same level as that of movies that's the problem. Their system is a heap of junk and so this is them covering their arses due to the fact their regulation has little to no effect. Sucks, but true nonetheless.

I think this is the crux of the matter. Many parents of kids under 18 just don't seem to regard game ratings as having any kind of parity with film ratings despite them both being from the bbfc and using the same logos etc. Better warnings on game packaging could really help try and get the message across that bbfc game ratings aren't just for fun. I also think it would be better if all games had bbfc ratings as lot of them seem to have other ratings that I think just confuse people.

RuMp3l4$k1n · 20 Jun 2007 at 17:42

In which case and I didn't think I would say this, lets go the same way as the Germans and prosecute anyone found to be selling or supplying under age people with this material.

That includes the parents which if we are honest is the main way kids will get hold of it, we all saw 18 rated films before we should because a mates dad let us etc etc. Nail the illegal suppliers but dont take it off the streets because A: its not your cup of tea, B: It may create a group of unhinged serial killers.

On the list of things that make people go sparko videogames are pretty damn low.

233 · 20 Jun 2007 at 17:45

will uk versions be available from the online place out in the sea?