Windows 10

Glaucus · 1 Jun 2015 at 22:25

Thanks, I see they have w10 beta drivers for 600 and above, don't have 600 and above though,

And yay that installed and boosted the driver number massively in device manager, now to boot up a game and see if it's worked.

Skeeter · 1 Jun 2015 at 22:29

Yeah same, I'm still rocking a GTX580

How do you force the Update thing? My Stream 7 tablet is fully up to date, but no prompt. I wonder if 8.1 with Bing is a bit behind?

Glaucus · 1 Jun 2015 at 22:31

Just "upgraded" to a 470 only a marginal upgrade, but damn it's so much quiter.

TheVoice · 1 Jun 2015 at 22:36

BaronVonDuncs said:
Its kind of free but kind of not free as far as I can tell.

Right now I have 2 laptops and 1 desktop running Win 8.1. They are all eligible for upgrade to Win 10 free on July 29th. My understanding is that the Win 10 upgrade will grant you a free copy of the O/S that's good for 'the lifetime of the machine'. So in the case of my laptops that's probably fine as I doubt I would ever be changing the MOBO or other components sufficiently to make them 'a new machine'. So the installed win 10 would likely last beyond the first (free upgrade period). Its alway possible that a laptop component would go 'pop' and a new drive or something would be needed and in that instance I don't know what happens to the Win 10 upgrade.

My major concern is my desktop. I change parts in that fairly regularly. I have 5 HDD and an SSD for a start, I upgrade them quite a lot, I have changed CPU and MOBO in the lifetime of this machine. I am seriously considering a change to Skylake when it arrives so thats potentially a new MOBO, CPU, memory right there.

My question is if I go ahead in July and install Win 10 either as an upgrade or a clean install from media (if thats possible) what happens if I opt to move to Skylake in say November odd? New MOBO, CPU etc so I assume that's the lifetime of this machine over, so does this mean I couldn't even reinstall Win 8.1 then upgrade to Win 10 again because I have already had my free upgrade once? What happens if I wait to change my MOBO until the win 10 'free' period is past? Do I have to buy a new copy?

This same sort of query comes up every time MS announce a new version of Windows with slightly different activation procedures, and it's never really been an issue. I highly doubt it'll become one now.

Glaucus · 1 Jun 2015 at 22:38

TheVoice said:
This same sort of query comes up every time MS announce a new version of Windows with slightly different activation procedures, and it's never really been an issue. I highly doubt it'll become one now.

Yep, it's always been what ever the original license is, is what the upgrade license becomes. And from windows 8, OEM = retail with no restrictions on change of hardware or changing it from one pc to another.

Where in windows 7 and before they classed OEM as tied to the mobo. Although it was never really enforced.

V F · 1 Jun 2015 at 22:50

Phil2008 said:
I tried windows 10 a few months back and I used the same X-Fi drivers and apps that I used for win7. I never had any probs using the win7 drivers and they are old too.

Settings hold on reboots? This was where my Prelude fell over for Windows 8/8.1. As well as many other X-Fi owners.

My drivers were from 2011.

chopper.uk · 1 Jun 2015 at 23:00

Glaucus said:
Yep, it's always been what ever the original license is, is what the upgrade license becomes. And from windows 8, OEM = retail with no restrictions on change of hardware or changing it from one pc to another.

Where in windows 7 and before they classed OEM as tied to the mobo. Although it was never really enforced.

so did I read this right when I want too fresh install I can just use the win7 key I have now ?

Sighn · 1 Jun 2015 at 23:14

Anyone know if it's possible to use the Windows 10 File History to restore stuff from W8.1?

Phil2008 · 1 Jun 2015 at 23:33

V F said:
Settings hold on reboots? This was where my Prelude fell over for Windows 8/8.1. As well as many other X-Fi owners.

My drivers were from 2011.

I didnt have any problems with the settings I had made.

Glaucus · 2 Jun 2015 at 00:23

chopper.uk said:
so did I read this right when I want too fresh install I can just use the win7 key I have now ?

We don't know other than there will be a win10 ISO available, as to what key we don't know.

But in the past upgrades have just used the base license. So if you have win7 retail then you should be able to change pc/upgrade to hearts content, if you have win 7 OEM technically it's tied to mobo but free to upgrade any other components, if you have win 8 OEM then free to upgrade any component move it to a different system to hearts content. at least that's how it's worked in the past, so until more info is released, that's why I would say is odds on favourite to happen again.

Scougar · 2 Jun 2015 at 03:04

I notice it says in the upgrade info icon link: Windows media center will be uninstalled during the upgrade. It isn't available in windows 10.

Nice :-(

Is there anything to replace it from MS?

Apparently AI Suite won't work either... so hopefully Asus get a version of that working soon for win10.

MR.B · 2 Jun 2015 at 03:35

I'm not sure if this is only for Windows Insiders like myself at the moment, but if you get this:

Then i recommend you reserve a copy. Because it will download Win 10 over the next few weeks, then download the remaining parts/RTM updates just before release. So it's ready to install on release day.

This way you'll get the update sooner because i imagine servers/download speeds will be crippled on the release week from all the downloads.

muon · 2 Jun 2015 at 06:06

How does this work with OEM devices?

I have a Dell XPS 13 and it has a lot of useful software installed and required drivers as standard.

What happens when you do a recovery (presumably this will revert it back to 8.1 as I doubt it will touch the recovery partition) will you lose the ability to get Windows 10 after July 2016?

Doogles · 2 Jun 2015 at 06:33

I reserved a copy of Windows 10, got a bad feeling though that if I want to downgrade to Windows 7 it isn't going to let me. We have to remember though Windows 7 has been around for a long time now and with DirectX12 arriving we do need to upgrade at some point.

Skeeter · 2 Jun 2015 at 07:05

MR.B said:
I'm not sure if this is only for Windows Insiders like myself at the moment, but if you get this:

Then i recommend you reserve a copy. Because it will download Win 10 over the next few weeks, then download the remaining parts/RTM updates just before release. So it's ready to install on release day.

This way you'll get the update sooner because i imagine servers/download speeds will be crippled on the release week from all the downloads.

Have you applied the W10 Preview over the top of an existing Windows 7 or 8 install using the Windows Update method?

muon said:
How does this work with OEM devices?

I have a Dell XPS 13 and it has a lot of useful software installed and required drivers as standard.

What happens when you do a recovery (presumably this will revert it back to 8.1 as I doubt it will touch the recovery partition) will you lose the ability to get Windows 10 after July 2016?

No. You will be able to either restore from the recovery partition and then reapply the update, or just do a full W10 install from an ISO.

Nobody who gets the update for free is going to lose it after a year.

Sliver · 2 Jun 2015 at 07:53

Just seen this in Windows Update. Hopefully it'll pre download. Was wondering though, will I need to back anything up ?

ED209 · 2 Jun 2015 at 08:05

Sliver said:
Just seen this in Windows Update. Hopefully it'll pre download. Was wondering though, will I need to back anything up ?

always best to do a backup of any documents and data you cant afford to loose just to be on the safe side.

you should be fine but like everything else you never know

this_is_gav · 2 Jun 2015 at 08:30

Scougar said:
I notice it says in the upgrade info icon link: Windows media center will be uninstalled during the upgrade. It isn't available in windows 10.

Nice Is there anything to replace it from MS?

Nothing decent for live TV, no.

I've been trying DVBViewer but couldn't even get it to pause, fast-forward or rewind, which should be the very minimum a paid-for TV viewer should do. Other than that it seemed OK, but the EPG was a pain to set up.

With MCE, despite it's problems, everything was at least seamless.

It's enough to keep me on 8.1.

Deleted member 77746 · 2 Jun 2015 at 09:20

C35799Gamble said:
My preference has always been and always will be a clean install and that is what I want to do this time

Ditto. There will be an ISO though.

DampDog · 2 Jun 2015 at 09:26

Button just appeared this morning on mine. I'm clueless as to how it works in the long term.

I currently have window 7, so as this is an "Upgrade" what will happen in the future should I need to do a full re-install. Will the windows 10 upgrade portion still be sitting out there floating in the ether ready to install automatically again. Or will it be at the full asking price next time?

There's part of me that thinks "Yeay, free upgrade!!" yet another part of me thinks, Hmmm can of worms here. Dunno.