I see a small percentage of people who have issues. I myself have had none and I bet a large majority have not either.
Windows 10
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Given the feedback on the Windows "Feedback" Hub and the posts on the "official" (except MS pretends they don't exist when it suits them) Windows 10 forums issues are certainly not insignificant though I couldn't guess at a percentage - certainly they shouldn't be ignoring them even if the percentage is reasonably small. MS don't seem to give a **** about the quality of life experience though these days for instance things get changed around far too much in Windows 10 updates to be considerate towards [some] older and less tech savvy people who often have to learn a repeatable process step by step to operate a PC.
I thought this was interesting. Says 58% Windows 10 users still on 1803.
https://www.neowin.net/news/microsoft-is-starting-to-auto-update-windows-10-1803-users-to-1903
https://www.neowin.net/news/microsoft-is-starting-to-auto-update-windows-10-1803-users-to-1903
Come the next "feature" update of Windows, which I expect will be 1909, those 1803 people might find themselves in a similar situation as I was yesterday: Hefty downloads and forced updates. Dare you try and delete and block the update, Microsoft will just try to undo any changes to force it on you anyway.
I wouldn't be so bothered, but I like to upgrade in my own time when I'm ready. I like to make sure everything is working, by doing test installs on a spare drive. It was only this way that I discovered driver issues with 1809.
One of my PC's is locked into Pre Anniversary Windows 10 because any version after this causes it to blue screen on first boot. Given up trying to trouble shoot / fix this as I've lost count of the number of times I've had to restore the boot drive from back up. Used the instructions several pages ago and deactivated / removed Windows update from it - as it's now mainly used as NAS / very occasional use for guests this suits me fine. Hopefully Microsoft won't try to force an update that bypasses these precautions but so far it's remained stable. And this is on Win 10 pro where you had at least some control..
Soldato
1903 is broken that's why
Soldato
Hi quick question, can I upgrade Win7 PC to Win10 using the windows creation tool without a license key and purchase a cheap key later on and activate?
Associate
Do you have a Windows 7 product key?
You can upgrade / fresh install Windows 10 with out a key and activate it later. Non activated Windows 10 will prevent you from personalising the OS.
Soldato
Yes I have a Windows 7 key?
Also when it asks "Choose what to keep", if I choose "Nothing" is that classed as a fresh install, formats HDD?
Associate
You might be able to activate Windows 10 with your Windows 7 key.
Choose custom install, delete all the partitions, select the hard drive, click next.
Choose custom install, delete all the partitions, select the hard drive, click next.
Soldato
Thanks, I'll give it a go then, fingers crossed things work.
Associate
You can still activate windows 10 installations with windows 7 keys as I just did it a few days ago.
Man of Honour
I am on Win 10 Pro but the base install has been the same since Windows Vista came out in 2006! All I've been doing all these years is:
1: Religious maintenance regime every few weeks, (CCleaner, SUPER & MBAM runs mostly) along with manually deleting old software files folders from various locations
2: In-place upgrade with each new version of Windows
3: Clone the OS drive to a new HDD each storage generation, then SSD once they came out. Currently on an Intel Skulltrail 480GB, SATA mind, but once the next generation lea[ lands and is fairly priced, I'll likely clone over to one of those too.
Really quite impressed. I've always been quite picky with what hardware I install and like to keep things minimal. I've switched between AMD and nVidia a number of times in those years so always made sure to properly clean out old driver files and stuff.
I'd confidently say my current OS state and performance exceeds most Windows 10 installs out there that might be considered "fresh", certainly in the stability department for an OCd machine.
Colour me impressed with Windows all these years
1: Religious maintenance regime every few weeks, (CCleaner, SUPER & MBAM runs mostly) along with manually deleting old software files folders from various locations
2: In-place upgrade with each new version of Windows
3: Clone the OS drive to a new HDD each storage generation, then SSD once they came out. Currently on an Intel Skulltrail 480GB, SATA mind, but once the next generation lea[ lands and is fairly priced, I'll likely clone over to one of those too.
Really quite impressed. I've always been quite picky with what hardware I install and like to keep things minimal. I've switched between AMD and nVidia a number of times in those years so always made sure to properly clean out old driver files and stuff.
I'd confidently say my current OS state and performance exceeds most Windows 10 installs out there that might be considered "fresh", certainly in the stability department for an OCd machine.
Colour me impressed with Windows all these years
Soldato
I tried this over the weekend and was very impressed actually (upgrade though, not clean install).
Windows activated fine (w7 pro > w10 pro). All apps work fine, browser favourites still there, sticky notes intact, windows themes remained. Outlook profile didn't need recreating. Even the order/location of desktop icons was the same
Stop the MS hate
Soldato
True.
All my friends and relatives never had a single issue with Windows 10 for 4 years now and they would called me for help if they experienced issues with Windows 10 updates.
Soldato
No not all the time.
Have you seen how many rigs get hosed with Windows 7 updates?
Recently like this!
https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us...download/59a000e0-7dba-49c2-b28f-b2eaf20d536a
Have you seen how many rigs get hosed with Windows 8 updates?
Recently like this!
https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us...8-update/26c35f9d-4ad7-4a9c-9e99-fad12634ac9f
Have you seen how many rigs get hosed with Windows 8.1 updates?
Recently like this!
https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us...80070246/9db1ab53-6160-4b9d-a3da-d4f3437ee51d
Also have you seen how many Windows 7 owners so afraid to open emails, download stuffs or being hacked and infected with new ransomwares that are more deadly than WannaCry like DeepBlue and many others?
https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us...nsomware/eb43e4ed-9179-4c1a-befa-c7b5c91784e3
Ransomware attacks on Windows 7 and Linux are on the rise almost everyday.
https://krebsonsecurity.com/2019/07/quickbooks-cloud-hosting-firm-insynq-hit-in-ransomware-attack/
https://www.newscientist.com/articl...re-on-the-rise-and-the-criminals-are-winning/
Windows 7 now have less than 5 months of security updates left, it is a matter of urgently that home users, governments, military and businesses should switch to Windows 10 by the end of 2019 to make their systems far more secure and full protection from ransomware attacks.
Soldato
LOL Your dad has costly connection but on limited bandwidth?
I don't know what network or mobile operator your dad are on. My 2 friends had limited bandwidth for about 19 years now since moved out of their parents to council houses which did not have Virgin Media TV and broadband network coverage. They did not have BT phone lines and used Three mobile since 2003 to accessed internet on their PCs and they used £35 Three mobile 4G unlimited minutes, texts and data 1 month contract plan for nearly 4 years now and 2019 price for that 1 month contract plan is now £26. 12 month contract plan is cheaper at £22 per month. 24 month contract plan is now £11 for 6 months then after that the price will return to £22 per month.
http://www.three.co.uk/Store/SIM/Plans_for_phones
I found mobile network operator SMARTY used Three network coverage, SMARTY offered unlimited data plan for £25 which is £1 cheaper than Three's £26 1 month contract plan.
https://smarty.co.uk/plans/unlimited#plans
Years ago when on the move I had to turned on mobile data to accessed internet and Three mobile charged me 1p per MB and then in 2018 Virgin Media enabled WIFI hotspots for 3.5 million Virgin Media broadband customers. I downloaded Virgin Media Connect app tested connected to my Virgin Media WIFI hotspot then when on the move, I opened Virgin Media Connect app and turned on mobile data, it did not connected to Three 4G but connected to Virgin Media WIFI hotspots. I was been tested my Surface Pro 6 tablet and Dell laptop connected to my mobile phone accessed to internet in my garden and 50 metres from my house. Very impressed.
Limited bandwidth and costly connection are now no longer an issue in 2019.
Personally I seem to inevitably fall foul of every issue comingso the need to manage updates manually is pressing. If I didn't do so much gaming and use so many applications where using another OS just isn't viable I'd move onto something else rather than Windows 10.
It not a huge surprise to see you still failed get to the bottom of it and had not found solutions with Windows 10 issues for 4 years since launch. Recently changes with 1903 and Windows Update gave you some control which you can manually pressing to install feature updates and cumulative updates. So that still not good enough for you? Or maybe you talked about security updates?
I remembered you and few guys here did not like Windows 10 Start Menu and I laughed when they called it buggy mess. After my friends and I beta tested Whistler and Windows XP went RTM in 2001, we all loved the Luna interface but not surprised at negatives from people who hated XP found it buggy mess and I laughed hard when people called the Luna interface "fisher price inferface" and XP "Teletubby operating system".
https://arstechnica.com/information...fore-everyone-loved-windows-xp-they-hated-it/
https://arstechnica.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=18917410#p18917410
Windows 10 UI haters was no different to Windows XP UI haters back in 2001.
So now Windows 10 is almost 4 years old and next year in 2020 will see Windows 10 feature update 20H1 that possible will become successor Windows Core OS that will see seamless updates, shell splitting from OS, Start Menu, Action Center, taskbar and others all will use new CShell UI experience. The OS and apps will also be separated into different partitions and it will be locked down and make OS super secured like iOS that people cant open and read contents on secured partition that will rendered hackers, viruses and ransomwares useless compared to Windows 10. But I don't know about Windows Update whether or not it will have ability to take full control the same way Windows 8 and 8.1 had but updates will be push more frequency and updates will done seamless so there will be no reboots, interrupted or interfered users anymore. I think it will also finally get rid of old control panel and million lines of legacy code.
https://www.windowscentral.com/what-microsofts-new-modern-os-all-about
https://www.neowin.net/news/windows-10-build-18917-begins-splitting-the-shell-from-the-os
LOL Your dad has costly connection but on limited bandwidth?
I don't know what network or mobile operator your dad are on. My 2 friends had limited bandwidth for about 19 years now since moved out of their parents to council houses which did not have Virgin Media TV and broadband network coverage. They did not have BT phone lines and used Three mobile since 2003 to accessed internet on their PCs and they used £35 Three mobile 4G unlimited minutes, texts and data 1 month contract plan for nearly 4 years now and 2019 price for that 1 month contract plan is now £26. 12 month contract plan is cheaper at £22 per month. 24 month contract plan is now £11 for 6 months then after that the price will return to £22 per month.
http://www.three.co.uk/Store/SIM/Plans_for_phones
I found mobile network operator SMARTY used Three network coverage, SMARTY offered unlimited data plan for £25 which is £1 cheaper than Three's £26 1 month contract plan.
https://smarty.co.uk/plans/unlimited#plans
Years ago when on the move I had to turned on mobile data to accessed internet and Three mobile charged me 1p per MB and then in 2018 Virgin Media enabled WIFI hotspots for 3.5 million Virgin Media broadband customers. I downloaded Virgin Media Connect app tested connected to my Virgin Media WIFI hotspot then when on the move, I opened Virgin Media Connect app and turned on mobile data, it did not connected to Three 4G but connected to Virgin Media WIFI hotspots. I was been tested my Surface Pro 6 tablet and Dell laptop connected to my mobile phone accessed to internet in my garden and 50 metres from my house. Very impressed.
Limited bandwidth and costly connection are now no longer an issue in 2019.
I said "while on" which should have given you a clue and have mentioned the exact circumstances before in posts you've responded to - my parents were on holiday, not in the UK, in a holiday complex in a fairly remote area that had extremely limited internet (satellite provisioning I believe but not 100% sure on that) - they shared a very limited bandwidth connection and a limited usage allowance with other guests so it inconvenienced everyone as well as being costly and not using the laptop wasn't an option for varied reasons. (EDIT: Wasn't so much the cost that bothered them it was that it made them look like inconsiderate ********* to the other guests).
As an aside where I am living now gets basically no Three coverage - get an Edge connection inside the house and maybe the very minimum of 3G if you are lucky outside and find an exactly perfect spot - EE is about the only provider with actual good coverage here (~30 down 10 up on 4G - best case 35/14) with Vodafone distinctly second (usually 13 down 2 up - if really lucky around 19 down 5 up).
You completely fail to understand the issues I've talked about and the changes to automatic updates are largely laughable and a poor substitute for actual manual control of updates. I haven't been complaining about 1 issue for 4 years and it isn't limited to problems with one system - not sure how you could have read my posts all this time and failed to grasp that! or for that matter seen all the other problems people have complained about and not grasped that.
Actually I was one of the people who were positive about the Windows 10 Start Menu - one of the few things I actually liked about the OS but it is and was still a buggy mess for all that. If you look back through this thread several times I mentioned it was one of the few things I thought was an improvement over Windows 7.
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Soldato
Just installed Windows 10 but having that issue with icons missing images on random programs/shortcuts, I run the Thumbnail & Icon Cache Rebuilder app but then a couple of hours later the icons lose thier images again.
And somthing I don't understand, Core Temp.exe for example, sat in program files, no icon image, I move the exe onto the desktop, it has it's icon image, move it back into it's program file directory, no image? I just don't get that.
And somthing I don't understand, Core Temp.exe for example, sat in program files, no icon image, I move the exe onto the desktop, it has it's icon image, move it back into it's program file directory, no image? I just don't get that.
Associate
How is 1903? I haven't had an automatic update prompt yet but I know it's available to download? Should I update to this?