Windows 10

spoffle said:
No they didn't, you clearly don't understand what you're saying when you say they "mainly" targeted it at tablets.
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Quite.

8 was supposed to be an attempt at unifying Windows on the various platforms - desktop, laptop, netbook, tablet, phone, whatever else you can contrive to run Windows on. That doesn't mean they focused on one platform, it means they tried to accommodate all of them. It failed, because people who run Windows on their desktop (generally) fear change.

Case in point - friend of mine utterly detests 8, says it's the worst thing since Vista, but loves 10. They both have the bold colour thing, they both lack much of the Aero glass crapola that 7 had, but 10 has a start menu! That makes it 10000% better than 8! He doesn't have to learn how to - gasp! - start typing on a start screen and watch as magically the shortcut to the program he wants appears. And he would have been perfectly happy if I'd put a start menu replacement on 8 for him. But no, it got junked before I could talk him through the genuine improvements made with 8, and back to 7 he went.

10 Tech Preview comes along, he hears about it and decides he likes the look of it, now wild horses couldn't drag him back to 7. Just because it has a start menu, rather than a start screen.
 
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JRS said:
I like it, but 10 lacking it is hardly a deal breaker. I'll happily sacrifice that bit of eye candy for improvements in the OS elsewhere.
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Aero is well overrated,eye candy at best,any PC user can get any Windows looking decent if they spend the time,regardless I'm amazed at some of the negatives considering it's early preview build and will also be free(final build) to Win7/8 users if you upgrade within the first year.

Seems too many users get hang up on the old stuff ie in the past, ie Aero etc,end of the day things change and things get removed etc ,it's not a deal breaker or making OS any worst,in fact in general you gain a lot more then what you lose with every new OS,a lot of users forget that,especially if one of their favourite features disappear they throw a tantrum, sorry get over it.
 
JRS said:
Quite.

8 was supposed to be an attempt at unifying Windows on the various platforms - desktop, laptop, netbook, tablet, phone, whatever else you can contrive to run Windows on. That doesn't mean they focused on one platform, it means they tried to accommodate all of them. It failed, because people who run Windows on their desktop (generally) fear change.

Case in point - friend of mine utterly detests 8, says it's the worst thing since Vista, but loves 10. They both have the bold colour thing, they both lack much of the Aero glass crapola that 7 had, but 10 has a start menu! That makes it 10000% better than 8! He doesn't have to learn how to - gasp! - start typing on a start screen and watch as magically the shortcut to the program he wants appears. And he would have been perfectly happy if I'd put a start menu replacement on 8 for him. But no, it got junked before I could talk him through the genuine improvements made with 8, and back to 7 he went.

10 Tech Preview comes along, he hears about it and decides he likes the look of it, now wild horses couldn't drag him back to 7. Just because it has a start menu, rather than a start screen.
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Hehe well Win8.1 with Start8 Start menu for example is virtually same as Win7 on old desktop,but then no Win7 user would admit that,some just moan for sake of it,end of the day I would never go back to Win7 which I left when Win8 arrived a few years ago ,only moving forward ,roll on Win10, I just wish more users were like me :) .


Remember the Win8 FUD ie you need a touch screen to use it,lol that one was a classic FUD remark.
 
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Elevon said:
Seems too many users get hang up on the old stuff ie in the past, ie Aero etc,end of the day things change and things get removed etc ,it's not a deal breaker or making OS any worst,in fact in general you gain a lot more then what you lose with every new OS,a lot of users forget that,especially if one of their favourite features disappear they throw a tantrum, sorry get over it.
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Let me just remove those 4 round wheels on your car and replace them with square ones. :p
 
mrbell1984 said:
Let me just remove those 4 round wheels on your car and replace them with square ones. :p
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That's incorrect. Your basically saying, lets remove the OS boot sector so u can't use the OS, even tho it's there.

You should have used, "It's like removing your nice climate controlled leather sports seats, with basic cloth seats.
 
mrbell1984 said:
Let me just remove those 4 round wheels on your car and replace them with square ones. :p
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They may have changed the dashboard but my car still has four round wheels :p ,if you can't handle OS change on a PC stick to a console,only on and off button to worry about ;)


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mrbell1984 said:
I never said I couldn't handle OS Change. Just stating a fact that they keep removing features and things that people get used too having. This was my point of car wheels.
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They have been doing that for decades, so what's new?

Problem is nowadays people are spoiled compared to the old DOS days where you had to actually use your brain for ALL those DOS commands etc ,now it's a basic mouse click but some users(not saying you) still got to find something to moan about,I'm almost 52 and if I can handle OS change with features removed etc bearing in mind electronic calculators were newest thing when I was at school anybody can.
 
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mrbell1984 said:
I never said I couldn't handle OS Change. Just stating a fact that they keep removing features and things that people get used too having. This was my point of car wheels.
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Yeah, but Aero Glass isn't like wheels on a car. It's like....oh, I dunno, taking metallic paint off the options list. Car still works, just isn't necessarily as pretty to people who like metallic paint.
 
JRS said:
Yeah, but Aero Glass isn't like wheels on a car. It's like....oh, I dunno, taking metallic paint off the options list. Car still works, just isn't necessarily as pretty to people who like metallic paint.
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Only Win7 and Vista had Aero so it was not on most Windows Operating Systems,again eye candy at best,I'm sure most users here can get virtually any Windows looking nice without it.

End of the day it's not an important feature unless your PC visual making skills are crap,also some people hate Aero.
 
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Elevon said:
Only Win7 and Vista had Aero so it was not on most Windows Operating Systems,again eye candy at best,I'm sure most users here can get virtually any Windows looking nice without it.

End of the day it's not an important feature unless your PC visual making skills are crap,also some people hate Aero.
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So whats wrong with eye candy? Your argument is basically "out with the old, in with the new". It doesn't matter if its a steaming turd, so long as its a brand new shiny steaming turd.

You're like those people queueing for days for the latest Apple product. Doesn't matter what it is so long as its got an Apple label on it and it's New. :rolleyes:

The reason they removed Aero was because they were paying a licence fee to the people behind Windowblinds and they removed it because they didn't want to pay it anymore, same as removing the ability to play DVD's because of the licence fee.
 
Elevon said:
Hehe well Win8.1 with Start8 Start menu for example is virtually same as Win7 on old desktop,but then no Win7 user would admit that,some just moan for sake of it,end of the day I would never go back to Win7 which I left when Win8 arrived a few years ago ,only moving forward ,roll on Win10, I just wish more users were like me :) .
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But the thing is, you shouldn't need to run extra stuff to be happy with windows 8/10.. The user should love windows just the way it is, like we did with windows 7

Blackjack Davy said:
So whats wrong with eye candy? Your argument is basically "out with the old, in with the new". It doesn't matter if its a steaming turd, so long as its a brand new shiny steaming turd.

You're like those people queueing for days for the latest Apple product. Doesn't matter what it is so long as its got an Apple label on it and it's New. :rolleyes:

The reason they removed Aero was because they were paying a licence fee to the people behind Windowblinds and they removed it because they didn't want to pay it anymore, same as removing the ability to play DVD's because of the licence fee.
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JRS said:
Yeah, but Aero Glass isn't like wheels on a car. It's like....oh, I dunno, taking metallic paint off the options list. Car still works, just isn't necessarily as pretty to people who like metallic paint.
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I'm not just on about the looks of an os. I'm on about the functionality and the deeper workings of it. A lot of people just require access to documents and the internet but locating things with change can be a pain in the bum.

Forget I said about the car theme as some of you just not getting it. I end that conversation here. :)

All the coders and decision makers have to do is allow the functionality with a ticky box. For example to bring aero back (tick a box). To bring the start menu back like Windows 7 (Tick a box). I am fairly sure they could allow that and I have provided feedback to microsoft to allow this functionality.

A lot of you people are forgetting how much a pain it's going to be to manage in businesses just like what Vista was when it first came out because of change.
 
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Blackjack Davy said:
So whats wrong with eye candy? Your argument is basically "out with the old, in with the new". It doesn't matter if its a steaming turd, so long as its a brand new shiny steaming turd.

You're like those people queueing for days for the latest Apple product. Doesn't matter what it is so long as its got an Apple label on it and it's New. :rolleyes:

The reason they removed Aero was because they were paying a licence fee to the people behind Windowblinds and they removed it because they didn't want to pay it anymore, same as removing the ability to play DVD's because of the licence fee.
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My argument is simple,things change,you can't expect everything to stay the same forever since that's being naive,you may not like what they add or remove but that's the way it has been for many years,happens with cars and most things.

End of the day nobody is forced to use newest OS,however if you do then don't expect it to be exactly the same as the old OS.


I actually don't like Apple or their products,shockf or you I bet,however I have been use to changes since DOS days on both Microsoft products and Linux,bitching about it gets you nowhere,constructive feedback to Microsoft might get you something,but then in most cases it does not,regardless I'm able to adjust to both new and old that is my point.


Remember no modern Windows is hard to use or adjust to even with some feature removed,I sometimes wonder about some users :rolleyes:.


It'll sure happen again down the road with so called features removed ,you know that's true.
 
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God, I just remembered something. Remember when XP first came along, how many people reverted the start menu to the Win95-98-98SE-ME-2K because the XP one annoyed them for some reason....

The operating systems change, the intelligence of the user base never does :p
 
JRS said:
God, I just remembered something. Remember when XP first came along, how many people reverted the start menu to the Win95-98-98SE-ME-2K because the XP one annoyed them for some reason....

The operating systems change, the intelligence of the user base never does :p
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Yep indeed. :) Complaining appears to be human nature. We should have all just been dumb animals rather than something where we think. It's much more complicated.
 
Phil2008 said:
But the thing is, you shouldn't need to run extra stuff to be happy with windows 8/10.. The user should love windows just the way it is, like we did with windows 7



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I do use Windows 8 has it is,with or without Start Menu is NOT any issue for me.


Again Win10 brings one and some users are still moaning, you can't win with some users and to me they should stay away from Operating Systems if they can't adjust or handle the change etc,sorry got to call it as I see it.

We are talking about simple Windows here remember.
 
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