Windows 10

On 1 hand it sucks as some have paid when others have not, but on the other hand - getting the majority on a single OS by any means necessary can put more focus on it/new model.

They could charge for it, people would buy it - but the current path of essentially giving it away is pretty damn good - i'm sure for business there will be a catch or something later on down the line where a charge or something would apply, but for the very quick look at I had at it, seems good / fast as assuming it's released with minimal issues then a very positive step from microsoft.
 
Trig said:
Anyone played with Cortana properly yet?

Got this on my old Pro, have put 10041 on but not really done much with it.
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yeah she understands what I'm asking just like on my Lumia 830, there's no difference!

I can't see the point of asking when I can type on my home PC, my phone is different when I'm driving and can hands free phone and text someone without having to touch my phone!, but I'm sat at my PC and my hands are on the keyboard!! it's like the 'OK Google' on Chrome (which now works under Windows 10) I only use it when I'm being extra lazy!!
 
apg said:
This is what I was thinking. Also It just seems somewhat iffy that microsoft would all of a sudden adopt a business plan of kindness.
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The more I think of it, the more I want to put the tinfoil hat on. :p

What if they let everyone upgrade for 'free' in the first year and then have it as a subscription service? Even the dodgy copies would have to pay :eek:
 
apg said:
This is what I was thinking. Also It just seems somewhat iffy that microsoft would all of a sudden adopt a business plan of kindness.
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Its not kindness its profit, People don't buy windows like the old days. Its all service based now, subscriptions to features, windows store apps and the like. For that to kick off they need everyone on the same platform. It also I would have thought really unifies support and such as you force everyone into a single modern platform suddenly you can crush the older OS support teams right down and focus everything in a single area.

Could be a good thing for both sides of the fence. Then again might be terrible :)
 
I'm disappointed that MS will let pirate versions be updated, I see they've since clarified that it won't make an updated version legitimate as such. Still, this to me is the wrong message as surely a free upgrade was a tangible advantage for someone who paid for 7/8/8.1 licence.
 
zola25 said:
I'm disappointed that MS will let pirate versions be updated, I see they've since clarified that it won't make an updated version legitimate as such. Still, this to me is the wrong message as surely a free upgrade was a tangible advantage for someone who paid for 7/8/8.1 licence.
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There's no point knocking you head against the same wall for years and not getting anywhere. MS have the choice of some money or no money, so they obviously chose some money as the pragmatic approach. You can't convert pirates to legitimate customers if you continue to treat them as the enemy. People don't respond to that.

Look at what Steam has done converting ex-pirates to customers, and MS had to do something equally game-changing or else suffer continued piracy, and people sitting on WinXP/7/8.
 
zola25 said:
I'm disappointed that MS will let pirate versions be updated, I see they've since clarified that it won't make an updated version legitimate as such. Still, this to me is the wrong message as surely a free upgrade was a tangible advantage for someone who paid for 7/8/8.1 licence.
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If they have a dodgy copy they will still have a dodgy copy, if you paid, you are legit, legal and whatever features that gives you will be valid, for those that are on illegal versions they will still be illegal, just on Windows 10, there will no doubt be something that kills off features (Windows Update for instance in the past) or something..
 
I appreciate both points raised above, and am hopeful that perhaps a few people will "convert" and I agree Steam is a great example of this.

My original comment was more from the perspective of a legit buyer, i.e. how many people are going to be turned off by this and think "If I can have a free upgrade in future, I may as well pirate too."? I do not include myself in that bracket, I even purchased XP when half the world were running volume licence editions ;-)

Trig - you may well be on to something there; if the non-legit version is feature locked MS could be on to a win-win.
 
I have a copy of windows 7 home premium DVD with legit key to go along with it.

would I be able to use this to upgrade to windows 10 and change it from 32 bit to 64 bit at all?
 
zola25 said:
I appreciate both points raised above, and am hopeful that perhaps a few people will "convert" and I agree Steam is a great example of this.

My original comment was more from the perspective of a legit buyer, i.e. how many people are going to be turned off by this and think "If I can have a free upgrade in future, I may as well pirate too."? I do not include myself in that bracket, I even purchased XP when half the world were running volume licence editions ;-)

Trig - you may well be on to something there; if the non-legit version is feature locked MS could be on to a win-win.
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very few I think.

People pirate for many different reasons, I do it for some games, to test the water before buying - i've been burnt several times by piles of rubbish that's almost unplayable on release, I don't want companies like that to have any of my money - if it's good, i'll buy it - no issue with that.

With windows, it's something that's used every day and love ms or hate ms, what they have released (with the exception of vista and ME) over the years, I feel, have always been decent upgrades at a reasonable cost - happy to buy it.

Some people are cheap or perhaps have low income or see MS as an evil corporation (yet still use them???) or just have more important things to buy, whatever - none of my business - but microsoft's approach this time around is spot on.
 
zola25 said:
I'm disappointed that MS will let pirate versions be updated, I see they've since clarified that it won't make an updated version legitimate as such. Still, this to me is the wrong message as surely a free upgrade was a tangible advantage for someone who paid for 7/8/8.1 licence.
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http://www.neowin.net/news/upgrading-to-windows-10-on-pirated-versions-wont-get-you-a-valid-license

you can feel better now for paying for windows :p

does say they are not sure if non genuine versions will have limited functionality,will have to wait until build in april to know what they plan
 
haroon said:
http://www.neowin.net/news/upgrading-to-windows-10-on-pirated-versions-wont-get-you-a-valid-license

you can feel better now for paying for windows :p

does say they are not sure if non genuine versions will have limited functionality,will have to wait until build in april to know what they plan
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"Hey Mr Pirate, you can now have a legitimate version of Windows 10 for free! yes that's right on the house, it's time we stopped this futile back and forth game between us, the only difference is there's a teeny bit of functionality left out but don't worry you won't notice it we've just done it to appease those who've financially supported Windows over the years"

"Wow, that is so cool and what a fantastic gesture on your behalf, I shall no longer type M$ when referring to you guys, of course you're right the days of searching out mass activators are no more, thank you from the bottom of our hearts"

< Opens browser >
< Google - Win10 torrent >
 
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Microsoft has been moving itself away from the 'evil corporation' image for a couple of years now, especially in the software development area.

A very good version of Visual Studio 2013 is free for all non-enterprise company development, and the Pro version is free for students. Most of their development tools (Asp.net, entity framework etc) are now open source and they accept code improvements from the public. The core .NET runtime is being released as open source and Microsoft are encouraging people to cross compile it to Linux and iOS. They are also encouraging the use of third party developed tools such as javascript, jquery and git rather than muscling them out of the market as they would have in the past.

They even offer the choice to host Linux servers in their azure cloud environment out of the box - no restriction to use Windows at all!
 
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