Poll: Winter Is Coming - HBO's A Game of Thrones [READ WARNING]
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Whether any of the houses survive is entirely up to whoever takes the Iron Throne. They can create or confiscate houses or fiefdoms at their will, or legitimise anyone with a tenuous claim.
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People jumping on the bandwagon and wanting to appeal to the masses?
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This. All previous traditions and decrees go out the window if the new monarch wishes it.
Erm... what rubbish.
Why would there be a bandwagon? Why would it appeal to masses to say it? Maybe... just maybe... it is plot armour? Maybe... the reason so many are using the term... is because it's been used?!
From a show you didn't think used it, it's quite disappointing.
It's just a stupid term. You could just say contrivance or you know, poke your argument through the specific plot hole you're speaking of. It's like joe public nowadays is so keen to pick holes in their favourite TV shows they even came up with a stupid quick-fire term for it.
Okay, that's a better argument. I disagree, but at least you're accepting it's there and it's just the term used.
I would still say 'plot armour was used' rather than explain the amount of times one of our heroes was up against ridiculous odds and somehow survived.
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Cersei escapes after the final battle for the throne, but is forced into exile with Qyburn and a few aides. The last scene is her dying in labour, as she gives birth to her baby, a dwarf.
And you've made my point perfectly. How is that plot armour? JS survived the initial charge because his forces got to/past him first. It's nothing to do with "plot armour". If you're talking about surviving the battle, then you just descend into the nonsense of picking holes into absolutely anything. Battles like that I'm sure were pretty damn random who survives, who are we to say "oh well he had no chance of surviving it blah blah". And besides, my main issue with the "plot armour" thing when it comes to battles etc. is that if the main character didn't survive then it'd be a pretty boring story right? Imagine the JS documentary, "you remember that guy who was a ********** but had a claim to the Iron Throne. Yeah he died in his first battle because some twerp archer got him in the first 5mins of the battle of blah blah". Cool story bro, well worth another 6 seasons
Jon somehow surviving a barrage of arrows despite being the only target in the BotB is plot armour.
Jamie, Brienne, Pod, Greyworm and Sam all surviving a literal 10 ft wave of Wights is plot armour.
Jamie, Brienne and Pod again surviving when they're literally pinned up against a wall with hundreds of Wights swarming them is plot armour.
Sam somehow surviving despite being a goner 6 times is plot armour.
Jon surviving dragonfire by hiding behind a rock despite the same dragonfire blowing a huge hole in the walls of WF is plot armour.
These people only survive these impossible scenarios because the writers want them to be alive in the next episode, not because they did something to survive that was logical to the story.
Jamie, Brienne, Pod, Greyworm and Sam all surviving a literal 10 ft wave of Wights is plot armour.
Jamie, Brienne and Pod again surviving when they're literally pinned up against a wall with hundreds of Wights swarming them is plot armour.
Sam somehow surviving despite being a goner 6 times is plot armour.
Jon surviving dragonfire by hiding behind a rock despite the same dragonfire blowing a huge hole in the walls of WF is plot armour.
These people only survive these impossible scenarios because the writers want them to be alive in the next episode, not because they did something to survive that was logical to the story.
Have to agree, that's what I thought when I read that. So, I agree that was not plot armour. Most of what happened in E03 was plot armour. Jon Snow, for example. As the NK leaves, he is literally surrounded by the dead. 2 minutes later he's swinging his sword and there's plenty of space now... then Dani comes in with her Dragon. He should have been dead 1:50 ago...
There’s a difference between plot amour being a consistent, understandable trope to one where it boils down to the best audience reaction and stupid gimmicks that start becoming boring.
Thankfully the gimmick of that which wields Valyrian steel is invulnerable was at least thrown out some what.
The story should revolve around them surviving the odds naturally, not merely scripted to do so. But whatever, it’s done now and it’s clear that HBO doesn’t give a ****.
Thankfully the gimmick of that which wields Valyrian steel is invulnerable was at least thrown out some what.
The story should revolve around them surviving the odds naturally, not merely scripted to do so. But whatever, it’s done now and it’s clear that HBO doesn’t give a ****.
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Maybe people just need to accept that it goes hand in hand with a work of fiction actually having a plot? I believe most good fiction does tends to require a plot of some description right? We seem to live in an age of people just banding terms about for impact and outrage without really thinking about what they actually mean in the context of what they are being used to describe. Do people complain about 'plot armour' meaning James Bond will never die? Or how about the 'plot armour' that prevents the starship enterprise blowing up every week from the dangerous situation it invariably finds itself in and killing all on board?
At the risk of venturing further off topic... No but they are generally seen as a given.
In earlier seasons of GoT however, literally everyone was almost fair game to be killed at any point. Unfortunately now so close to the "end" of the stories, several characters are now obviously "protected", until they reach their conclusion