World first QD-OLED monitor from Dell and Samsung (34 inch Ultrawide 175hz)

I use the ICC for the DWF that come Dell support in the same way I used the ICC for DW, used window HDR calibration tool ..etc)
This will mess up colours. Remove the Dell ICC and any Dell/Alienware software as they will restore the ICC every time they update etc. Then, use no icc in SDR mode, only have the HDR calibrated ICC created with the Windows HDR tool. which is only in effect when in HDR mode viewing HDR content and switch back to normal SDR mode when not doing anything in HDR. This is the correct way to use these displays.

I'm still doing some early testing but so far I can't see the scratches when the monitor is on even with the curtains open.
Yeah they are only visible under a torch light being shone on the surface when the display is off. You'll never see them in normal use. My latest panel has a few hairline marks from transit it seems but I can only see them under torchlight so not an issue.
 
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Is anyone using a monitor arm? My Invision won't accept the weight so I'm looking for a new one. I'd rather not spend hundreds of pounds if I can help it.

Which Invision do you have? I've got mine on their "MX450", and it's fine, although I did need to get an upgraded high tension bolt from them. It looks like the listing description has changed, so maybe it's a new version which has been updated already (they did say they were working on an upgrade to it when I spoke to them).
 
I use an Ergotron MX, it's 10+ years old but works perfectly. Dell's own MSA20 arm is the modern top equivalent with a bunch of cool features. Both are between £160 and £180 though.

Not sure how rigid cheaper ones are as I know some do have slight wobble as you tap away on the keyboard etc.

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Which Invision do you have? I've got mine on their "MX450", and it's fine, although I did need to get an upgraded high tension bolt from them. It looks like the listing description has changed, so maybe it's a new version which has been updated already (they did say they were working on an upgrade to it when I spoke to them).
MX150 I think. Had it a few years now and it's been fine. I have a dual arm Invision too which has also been fine but that can't support the monitor either.
 
Ok so bit of a big update. Some will recall I've had the i1 Display Pro for years now and calibrated all my screens with it, namely the old LG 34UM95-P which worked amazingly thanks to having a built in LUT that LG's software used the i1 for and profiled directly to the monitor. No faffing with icc profiles.

I've personally never liked calibrating via icc profiles as even a GFX driver update can mean the need to recalibrate if the new driver changes anything to do with the display output colours etc, whereas hardware LUT profiling is fixed to the monitor, and all input sources gain the same calibrated output.

I tried calibrating when the DW first came out but no software supported QD-OLED, and you need a spectral profile for the calibration software to tell the software how to read the panel type basically, at that time only like 1 or 2 spectral profiles existed on the DisplayCAL global database, and it was unclear how accurate these were but I tried them anyway and didn't like the results I was getting as they didn't seem "right" to my eyes.

I figured today I'd give it another shot and saw that recent spectral profiles have been uploaded to the database and they are labelled correctly too, as I work in sRGB for everything, I picked the sRGB one.

First I ran a calibration whilst in Creator mode on the OSD, the results were good but showed the sRGB colour range at 96% coverage, and when in HDR mode in Windows, using the HDR calibrated profile with the MS tool, the colours looked out of whack.

I then reran calibration but this time with the OSD in custom colour mode and used the DisplayCAL measurement window to adjust OSD RGB values to meet in the middle, also adjusted brightness and contrast to meet my new desired target brightness of 120cd/m2 which is the recommended brightness for office use displays in normal lighting conditions. Before this I was using anywhere from 90 to 120 depending on how I felt.

The before reading of just doing the reading when in Creator mode for sRGB was this:

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Clearly there is too much green which without a back and forth comparison wasn't obvious, and a dE of 6.6 seemed odd too.

But setting the OSD to custom colour and adjusting the RGB and brightness/contrast to get everything in the middle resulted in these new readings:

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The calibration took about 18 minutes, which is also much longer than what I recall way back when I first tried it using the early spectral profiles, so clearly the latest ones are what they should be now for QD-OLED.

Result:

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A dE of 0.63, that's a bit better than my LG34UM95-P which was about 0.78 at its best.

What I'm now seeing are more punchy colours vs Creator Mode, but all calibrated to 6500K, and my new luminance of 120cd/m2 (ignore the screen above showing 100, that was before other adjustments were made). I am really pleased with this, and will keep an eye on GFX driver change notes for if they change anything to do with colour, I'll have to recalibrate.

HDR also has the correct colours now too, so switching to custom colour sorted that out it seems.

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So as it stands, Windows is now using two icc profiles, one exclusively for HDR, created with the Microsoft HDR Calibration Tool, and one created using DisplayCAL with the spectral profile chosen for sRGB.

For reference my RGB values in Custom Colour are: R 100 G 92 B 94. Brightness is now 56, and contrast is now 70. This results in the 120cd/m2 luminance measured.

Happy days!
 
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Hey Mrk, I thought I would have a go at this, but the "calibrate and profile" button is just greyed out?

How do I add a picture into this forum?

I just tried your RGB values only in custom colour and it looks totally messed up setting my DWF to that :(
 
The values I'm using won't apply to yours as every panel is different and needs individually adjusting. The button will be greyed out unless you have a supported colorimeter connected to the PC in order to calibrate with!
 
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The values I'm using won't apply to yours as every panel is different and needs individually adjusting. The button will be greyed out unless you have a supported colorimeter connected to the PC in order to calibrate with!

So there’s a meter profile now for qd displays in display cal? I was using an edr off a s95b with hcfr before which was the only option outside of hiring someone with a cr250 to profile my meter.
 
Yeah there are three spectral profiles that the same person has added to the database in January, once for each mode, I work in srgb so used the srgb one:

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The 2022 spectral profiles people uploaded didn't create a satisfying profile for me back then hence why I sacked off calibration since then and only just thought to check if a better profile existed there now.

What this has shown me using the custom RGB OSD adjustments now instead of Creator mode sRGB is that the Creator mode one on my display at least has too much green and not enough red and blue resulting in a slightly greener tint which isn't immediately obvious until you run through this process. I think my last DW had more red than green so it's clear each panel is different which is expected as you get the same with LCDs too. Also being out of creator mode and using custom colour now you retain the OLED punch of primary colours, especially red whereas it's slightly flatter in creator mode like how it is on an IPS LCD. It's not as over-saturated as in standard mode though so it's clearly being calibrated for 6500K so that's all good.
 
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Used to love using DisplayCal (shame the guy stopped updating it). But once I got this monitor I sold my ColorMunki.

I don't do any work that needs colours to be perfect and this monitor is quite good out of the box as you know. Might get a new one in the future if I feel it is worth it. If the next gen version of these monitors have a built in LUT I would do it. But I bet they won't.
 
In your screenshot it shows your in 10bit colour, I’m in 8 with my DWF, would that make a difference? I can’t even see how you change between the two tbh.

I’d be interested to know all your other settings on the panel to just see how it looks. Gamma 2.2? Etc etc.

I feel in windows it all looks a bit dull in creator mode compared to standard?!
 
Ok so bit of a big update. Some will recall I've had the i1 Display Pro for years now and calibrated all my screens with it, namely the old LG 34UM95-P which worked amazingly thanks to having a built in LUT that LG's software used the i1 for and profiled directly to the monitor. No faffing with icc profiles.

I've personally never liked calibrating via icc profiles as even a GFX driver update can mean the need to recalibrate if the new driver changes anything to do with the display output colours etc, whereas hardware LUT profiling is fixed to the monitor, and all input sources gain the same calibrated output.

I tried calibrating when the DW first came out but no software supported QD-OLED, and you need a spectral profile for the calibration software to tell the software how to read the panel type basically, at that time only like 1 or 2 spectral profiles existed on the DisplayCAL global database, and it was unclear how accurate these were but I tried them anyway and didn't like the results I was getting as they didn't seem "right" to my eyes.

I figured today I'd give it another shot and saw that recent spectral profiles have been uploaded to the database and they are labelled correctly too, as I work in sRGB for everything, I picked the sRGB one.

First I ran a calibration whilst in Creator mode on the OSD, the results were good but showed the sRGB colour range at 96% coverage, and when in HDR mode in Windows, using the HDR calibrated profile with the MS tool, the colours looked out of whack.

I then reran calibration but this time with the OSD in custom colour mode and used the DisplayCAL measurement window to adjust OSD RGB values to meet in the middle, also adjusted brightness and contrast to meet my new desired target brightness of 120cd/m2 which is the recommended brightness for office use displays in normal lighting conditions. Before this I was using anywhere from 90 to 120 depending on how I felt.

The before reading of just doing the reading when in Creator mode for sRGB was this:

QPzgSUc.png


Clearly there is too much green which without a back and forth comparison wasn't obvious, and a dE of 6.6 seemed odd too.

But setting the OSD to custom colour and adjusting the RGB and brightness/contrast to get everything in the middle resulted in these new readings:

VAFUFpn.jpg


The calibration took about 18 minutes, which is also much longer than what I recall way back when I first tried it using the early spectral profiles, so clearly the latest ones are what they should be now for QD-OLED.

Result:

O6iJhZR.png


A dE of 0.63, that's a bit better than my LG34UM95-P which was about 0.78 at its best.

What I'm now seeing are more punchy colours vs Creator Mode, but all calibrated to 6500K, and my new luminance of 120cd/m2 (ignore the screen above showing 100, that was before other adjustments were made). I am really pleased with this, and will keep an eye on GFX driver change notes for if they change anything to do with colour, I'll have to recalibrate.

HDR also has the correct colours now too, so switching to custom colour sorted that out it seems.

F0Ri4kM.png


So as it stands, Windows is now using two icc profiles, one exclusively for HDR, created with the Microsoft HDR Calibration Tool, and one created using DisplayCAL with the spectral profile chosen for sRGB.

For reference my RGB values in Custom Colour are: R 100 G 92 B 94. Brightness is now 56, and contrast is now 70. This results in the 120cd/m2 luminance measured.

Happy days!


How do I get two ICC hdr profiles for windows? Currently I can only get one at a time loaded and it calibrated to whatever screen I did it on but then my other hdr panels are forced to use the same profile. Can windows support one individual icc hdr profile for each screen?
 
Yeah that will be the thing to keep an eye on, if the next gen ones change sub pixel layout (most likely), then a new spectral profile will be needed, so once again will need to wait for someone to upload a good one. This time round it took like nearly 2 years for that to happen!

Brightness at 56?! Yikes, you'll be on your what 6th one within a couple months then :p

Using 41% brightness here (contrast 70)
Remember the default brightness is 75 iirc? So still lower than factory default, but yeah what TNA said :p

How do I get two ICC hdr profiles for windows? Currently I can only get one at a time loaded and it calibrated to whatever screen I did it on but then my other hdr panels are forced to use the same profile. Can windows support one individual icc hdr profile for each screen?

I'm on WIn11 23H2, not sure if that changes ho profiles work against each display but I also only have one display not multiple, although you can view assigned profiles per display from the dropdown, and Windows HDR tool should assign only a specific profile to each display anyway I think.

In my screenshot it shows two profiles because one is for SDR, the other is HDR (advanced colour). Windows differentiates between both for a single display and uses either when in SDR or HDR mode.

In your screenshot it shows your in 10bit colour, I’m in 8 with my DWF, would that make a difference? I can’t even see how you change between the two tbh.

I’d be interested to know all your other settings on the panel to just see how it looks. Gamma 2.2? Etc etc.

I feel in windows it all looks a bit dull in creator mode compared to standard?!
It almost certainly doesn't matter if you're on 8 or 10 bit if you have an nvidia card, the 8-bit dither on NV cards is so good nobody can tell the difference anyway, I'm just at 10-bit because my own peace of mind and because I don't use 175Hz due to noticing VRR flicker the most vs 144Hz so figured I'd slap it into 10-bit anyway since I'm using 144Hz. You can change the bit depth in NVCP:

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As for the other settings, the gamma can only be changed when in creator mode, since I am not using that nay more in favour of custom colour mode so I can adjust the RGB values during the initial calibration measurement in DisplayCAL which allows the profiling stage to be more accurate since the baseline is as close as possible to my my targets.

The other OSD settings are:

Brightness: 56 (used to be 42)
Contrast: 70 (used to be 66)
Game > Mode > Custom Colour (used to be Creator Mode, sRGB, Gamma 2.4)
Custom colour values: R100 G92 B94
Dark Stabilizer: 0
HDR mode: Peak 1000 (Windows is set to HDR off when not viewing HDR stuff)
 
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I got the i1 Display Pro back in 2014 for £160, expensive but aligned with the then latest Spyder probes too. Looking online, it seems that it's more expensive now :o The folding cover thing on it is covered in that soft rubbery plastic film that over the years becomes sticky so I need to wipe that away using rubbing alcohol at some point, that's my only gripe lol.

And for OLED displays using an X-rite colorimeter like this, you also need a suitable spectral profile to then use as reference in the application you use providing it supports them. Spectral profiles require the mega expensive meters which I guess is why it took so long for a profile to get uploaded to the database for DisplayCAL as someone owning one has to have access to a QD-OLED and the desire to actually do it to help the rest of us out :o

I don't know the methodology needed for Spyder probes as they behave differently!
 
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