World first QD-OLED monitor from Dell and Samsung (34 inch Ultrawide 175hz)

OLED and 175Hz for a monitor is going to be really really hard to go back to anything else. I was trying the PS4 on an Eizo 1440p 60Hz last night which is a Panasonic panel, while the input delay felt so good, going from OLED 60Hz to LED 1440p 60Hz felt like watching a smeary screen. The eyes started hurting after an hour.

OLED 60Hz to a degree feels like 120Hz clarity but not as smooth as TN 240Hz. I had to put the PS4 back on the OLED tv for that reason.

Imagine an OLED 240 or 360Hz.
 
Yep, well said it reflects my experience too. I've used the super slow mo video record function on my phone to track movement and input between my 144hz ips and 120hz OLED and the OLED absolutely spanks the ips, the pixel response is so much faster and there is a huge reduction in blur and ghosting - everything just feels snappier and smoother. OLED at 240hz would definitely be faster and smoother than any other monitor on the market, including 360hz ips panels
 
I been saying this for the last 4/5 years now since getting my lg e7 :p Motion clarity is just so much superior to any high refresh rate ips/lcd display, at least when compared to my 144hz ips, more importantly is the fact that in order to get the best motion clarity from high refresh rate lcds, you also need to be pushing the fps at said refresh rate.
 
Yeap I heard it a lot from you Nexus, and since I got the CX I totaly agree. It just slaughters anything LCD in motion clarity. Well it slaughters any POS LCD whatever it may be. OLED is just that supperior

Makes my PG279Q seems like a 30 fps game - even if running at 144 fps!
 
Not sure what games you guys are playing to think current OLED TVs are "good" with motion clarity.

Without black frame insertion enabled they are blurrier than an old first-gen 120hz IPS due to the nature of sample/hold.

With it enabled however the tables turn and the OLED CX provides better clarity than the best tuned MBR LCD (ViewSonic XG2431). Sadly this is at the cost of low brightness and incredibly high input lag.

Now, if we can get good MBR in an OLED monitor at decent brightness we'll finally make it back to the good old days of CRT quality displays.
 
sadbuttrue said:
Not sure what games you guys are playing to think current OLED TVs are "good" with motion clarity.

Without black frame insertion enabled they are blurrier than an old first-gen 120hz IPS due to the nature of sample/hold.

With it enabled however the tables turn and the OLED CX provides better clarity than the best tuned MBR LCD (ViewSonic XG2431). Sadly this is at the cost of low brightness and incredibly high input lag.

Now, if we can get good MBR in an OLED monitor at decent brightness we'll finally make it back to the good old days of CRT quality displays.
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Black frame insertion/what ever the marketing name of the moment is by its nature incompatible with variable refresh rate and can't be used to justify LCDs.

If you keep light on for fixed time after image refresh before turning it off, variation in frame rate basically PWMs image brightness.
Avoiding that brightness pumping up and down depending on framerate needs knowing how long frame duration is and adjusting brightness for light on time individually for every frame.
But that can work only with long enough buffering to know duration of next frame.
So at that point input lag is such long that perceived transition speed is moot point for fast paced games and one issue has just been replaced by even worser one.

In CRT's image going black after refresh scan worked, because they had constant refresh rate/kept scanning screen at fixed frequency.

Really only approach not adding new issues would be simply high framerate and instant pixel response display to minimize time any single frame is visible.
 
Some info from Samsung QD here regarding burn in:


Appears Samsung don't require to pixel refresh or pixel cycle as such, they have a self running system which actively looks after each pixel on the fly to prevent burn in or issues.

Reviewer mentions Samsung has stressed tested this system and will be bringing in the proof or numbers in a few weeks time.

This could be the reason why Samsung are so confident they won't get burn in.
 
R3X said:
Some info from Samsung QD here regarding burn in:


Appears Samsung don't require to pixel refresh or pixel cycle as such, they have a self running system which actively looks after each pixel on the fly to prevent burn in or issues.

Reviewer mentions Samsung has stressed tested this system and will be bringing in the proof or numbers in a few weeks time.

This could be the reason why Samsung are so confident they won't get burn in.
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Good to hear. I'm excited about this tech!
 
R3X said:
Appears Samsung don't require to pixel refresh or pixel cycle as such, they have a self running system which actively looks after each pixel on the fly to prevent burn in or issues.
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It's not that there isn't burn in/wear.
Pixels/subpixels wear just like in any OLED, no matter of any marketing shenanigans of separate layers for different colour/subpixel.
(though rate is lower because of less agressive pushing of pixel with no light loss in RGB filter)

But that weakening of those pixels simply gets masked automatically by driving them more agressively to counter loss of brightness.
So essentially they're masking accumulated wear by increasing wear rate of those pixels further and further...

It just doesn't have visible effect untill after what ever time/usage they specify in small print.
 
EsaT said:
It's not that there isn't burn in/wear.
Pixels/subpixels wear just like in any OLED, no matter of any marketing shenanigans of separate layers for different colour/subpixel.
(though rate is lower because of less agressive pushing of pixel with no light loss in RGB filter)

But that weakening of those pixels simply gets masked automatically by driving them more agressively to counter loss of brightness.
So essentially they're masking accumulated wear by increasing wear rate of those pixels further and further...

It just doesn't have visible effect untill after what ever time/usage they specify in small print.
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Yeah I was thinking that does sound a little too good to be true, will be interesting to see there paperwork and evidence due in a few weeks time.
I still wouldn't believe it not till someone's had it for 5 years:)
 
I expect this AW3423DW at 3000 Euro minimum, likely 3500 Euros.

If this will have the same cheap up to 2600 rpm 70 mm Sunon fan, like the AW3821DW, because of the G-Sync Ultimate module, r.i.p. . I sold my AW3821DW because this **** was so annoying. I let it exchange before from rev. A00 to A02 (newest revision) by Dell. Still the same sound.

I noticed it after i upgraded to Intel Alderlake which made my system much more silent in idle. Before i thought the noise came from the fans of my system :D .
 
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I been saying this for the last 4/5 years now since getting my lg e7 :p Motion clarity is just so much superior to any high refresh rate ips/lcd display, at least when compared to my 144hz ips, more importantly is the fact that in order to get the best motion clarity from high refresh rate lcds, you also need to be pushing the fps at said refresh rate.
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Some info from Samsung QD here regarding burn in:


Appears Samsung don't require to pixel refresh or pixel cycle as such, they have a self running system which actively looks after each pixel on the fly to prevent burn in or issues.

Reviewer mentions Samsung has stressed tested this system and will be bringing in the proof or numbers in a few weeks time.

This could be the reason why Samsung are so confident they won't get burn in.
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So what Samsung is doing is per pixel control.

It can dynamicly adjust for each pixel, if one pixel starts to wear out it will dim all the pixels around it to keep the image uniform.

This should mean that burn in is never visible, however what will happen over time is the screen will lose brightness as the software continues to dim pixels further and further to prevent uneven wear.


Where as LGs OLED is able to maintain its full bright throughout its life with no reduction, it's possible to get uneven wear on pixels. With Samsung OLED pixels will wear evenly and there is no burn in, but a side effect is that the screen will lose brightness over time and become dimmer
 
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So what Samsung is doing is per pixel control.

It can dynamicly adjust for each pixel, if one pixel starts to wear out it will dim all the pixels around it to keep the image uniform.

This should mean that burn in is never visible, however what will happen over time is the screen will lose brightness as the software continues to dim pixels further and further to prevent uneven wear.


Where as LGs OLED is able to maintain its full bright throughout its life with no reduction, it's possible to get uneven wear on pixels. With Samsung OLED pixels will wear evenly and there is no burn in, but a side effect is that the screen will lose brightness over time and become dimmer
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thanks that makes sense, maybe Samsung are banking on that effect not showing up within 5 years. Kind of reminds me of hard drive health somewhat, should be useable but those sectors might just be a tad weaker.
 
R3X said:
thanks that makes sense, maybe Samsung are banking on that effect not showing up within 5 years. Kind of reminds me of hard drive health somewhat, should be useable but those sectors might just be a tad weaker.
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It's difficult to tell at this point how much the brightness will be affected by different content and the numbers of years the tV/Monitpr is used for as we just don't have the screens yet. I hope that it's minimal, like maybe the screen only loses 20% brightness after 5 years or something, as a 20% reduction would still leave it brighter than LG OLEDs - but we won't know until people have owned these screens for a year or two and taken measurements
 
As much as I like the new tech here. I would much rather a 42” 4K LG panel then this alienware monitor which is only 1440p and will cost double or treble the price. No brainer as far as I am concerned.

Once I get the LG C2 42” it will last me all the way until micro led is a thing at affordable prices.
 
Grim5 said:
So what Samsung is doing is per pixel control.

It can dynamicly adjust for each pixel, if one pixel starts to wear out it will dim all the pixels around it to keep the image uniform.

This should mean that burn in is never visible, however what will happen over time is the screen will lose brightness as the software continues to dim pixels further and further to prevent uneven wear.


Where as LGs OLED is able to maintain its full bright throughout its life with no reduction, it's possible to get uneven wear on pixels. With Samsung OLED pixels will wear evenly and there is no burn in, but a side effect is that the screen will lose brightness over time and become dimmer
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I guess that shouldn't be too bad if it only starting to show after 5 years. Assuming you weren't running at full already, you could probably just up your brightness to maintain your level over time. Unless the software will already do this too. That might accelerate degradation though so it would hardly be noticeable for 5 years (pure guess based off warranty - could be much longer) but then the drop off becomes steeper each year as you up the brightness to keep it where it was overall.
 
TNA said:
As much as I like the new tech here. I would much rather a 42” 4K LG panel then this alienware monitor which is only 1440p and will cost double or treble the price. No brainer as far as I am concerned

Once I get the LG C2 42” it will last me all the way until micro led is a thing at affordable prices.
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Absolutely my thoughts to!
Why the hell would I want a super small No vertical fov to speak of, when I can get a perfectly sized - 42 inch - with awesome immersion. No thank you, they can happily keep this overpriced POS UW!

The C2 42 will sell like total craze im assured. It will be the end monitor, untill QD OLED or as you said: MicroLED are a thing!
 
Almost what I want. Tempted still but I am really after a 38" version with something a little more ppi than is currently being shown. You are closer to monitors than TV so a 3440x1440 34"ppi is around 110. Compare that to a 4k, 24" monitor which I think is about the sweet spot for myself at 180ppi and that is my issue with these monitors, work wise anyways.

But that means I would be waiting for something like the following
  • 38" 21:9 (34.88" x 15.08")
  • 8k 7680x3320 (220ppi) - although a 6k 175ppi minimum would work too, just not really marketing for 6k out there.
  • 240Hz
  • QD-OLED
  • Freesync Premium Pro
  • 450Nits full screen,1000Nit 10% 1500Nit 3%
  • DP 1.4 & HDMI 2.1
  • 4 USB-C connections
  • 1500r curve

so looks like I will be waiting a long time (2-3 year probably) but if someone dropped that at around the £3k mark I would snap it up tbh.
 
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