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http://swissramble.blogspot.com/2010/10/how-manchester-city-could-break-even.html

Is a good article as to how we can pass the rules, and that is just one man and a website.

I am sure HRH, Khaldoon and Cook have got the world's best people working on it.

No person spends the amount of money HRH has spent only to be banned from the elite competition in Europe. Especially not a person who has made billions for himself and Abu Dhabi effectively.



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Have you read the article yourself Biz?

It was written quite a while ago, is based on the assumption that City had most of their spending out of their system at that stage (whereas above you're arguing it can continue), and states repeatedly City can't skirt around the rules and could actually be banned for, something you psychically detracted against above.

It's basically an article stating how City can transition from a nouveau riche upstart to a viable forward-looking business. I don't see how that backs up it apparantly being 'impossible' City will be banned from Europe or that they can continue spending in heavy quantities.
 
He has more ability in his little finger than....


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...he has in his thumb. Yeaah!

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IF Utd can play without Ronaldo and win, if Real can lose Figo, or Zidane, or the other Ronaldo, if Barca can lose Eto'o, or Ronaldinho, or Henry, or........ 50 others, Spurs can replace Modric and Bale who are NOT the best in the world in their position.

The difference being that Spurs can't compete with the very top clubs financially, the players that would improve Spurs are the same players that would improve the very top clubs. Spurs are no longer aspiring to just compete with the likes of Villa and Everton, they feel like they can make it to the very top. Any replacement for Modric or Bale would not be as good and a sign that Spurs may as well stop trying to break into the top 4. You think Utd would have sold Ronaldo if he'd been happy? Of course not.

I was only saying 40mil for Bale because of other stupid rumours, he's maybe worth half that based on potential to improve, he's not worth that yet.

His "worth" is whatever Tottenham deem to be the minimum to take to let go of him, if you think Tottenham would accept anything near £20m you're dreaming.
 
Fresh talk of us wanting Nasri now, 25m bid apparently due to be made.

Amazingly not Twitter the source this time..... not much better though talkSPORT :o
 
talksport is diabolical. I really rate Nasri centrally but a) that seems a lot and b) he's not disciplined enough really to play in a middle 2 imho.
 
TBH I wouldn't mind spending 25m on him even if he is in the final year of his contract, if that's what it takes to get Arsenal to sell him to us.

Hypothetically if he's the player Fergie has identified as the answer to our midfield problems and the fact he's playing for a direct rival then better to pay over the odds rather than potentially risk his situation at Arsenal getting better throughout the season and him then sign a new contract and miss out on him altogether. Maybe that's just my burning desire to see a new midfielder brought in that's talking though :/

That said my first choice is still (and always has been) Modric though, he'd be absolutely perfect for the way we play currently.
 
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Will go a lot towards it.

We are not going to be barred from playing the Champions League so this debate is pretty irrelevant.

It WILL NOT go a lot towards it.

Here are some facts for you, basic players not on the highest wages at Liverpool got a 15-20% bump in wage for champs league, you don't think Toure has that in his contract, get us into the champs league and you get a big pay bump, unfortunately a 20% bump on a 200-250k a week salary, is over the average wage of the rest of the league just as a pay rise, now factor that in by the entire squad.

The old numbers were based off almost 2 year old numbers, wages have increased most likely in the region of 30-40mil since then, with yearly pay rises, bonuses for hitting top four/champs league and probably higher wages for being in the champs league and for reaching various stages.

These things all assume a 20mil income from the champions league is the end of it, the actual situation is you get 20mil more income, but wages rise 20mil in bonus's and pay rises, it completely cancels each other out.

Higher income from league position, its half a mil a place up the table, so going from midtable to top nets you 5million more.

You can not and will not get away with a single penny over Barca's shirt deal, thats 25mil Euro's a season, even that would be considered dodgey as quite clearly they are the biggest/best club in the world right now in terms of success, unmatched, and therefore should be deemed a higher value sponsorship than just hit the CL City.

But even 25mil a year, which is only 15mil or so higher than now IIRC is nothing compared to the increase in wages since that report was done.

Yearly incoming from ticket sales, sorry but thats going to go almost nowhere really, but is the most open area for fudging the numbers IMHO. IE they pull in 30mil now, they CAN NOT, unquestionably, raise this to Utd levels of income, they can't. They can pretend they charged everyone an extra £2k per season ticket, and then offer a £2k rebate. Even then it would not be enough.

Seriously, use some common sense, look at Arsenal or Utd's numbers, City are down on commercial, and can not match Arsenal/Utd, the stadium does not have the corporate seating, restaurants, bars, club level seating to match them, they can't match on capacity. The only area they can compete or even surpass those two is shirt sponsorship and even then they can only match Barca, you're talking over UTd maybe 7-8mil a year gain, with a 70mil shortfall in stadium income, and a absolute best case scenario for City, 50mil shortfall in commercial income...... but with 40-50mil extra outgoing in wages.

It will not happen, the owners did not buy the club before financial fair play was introduced, they do not know the final rules of financial fairplay so its impossible they can have worked it all out yet.


Its really very simple maths, match Utd's ticket/stadium/corporate and sponsorship incomings, match them in outgoing wages, be the same.

City will vastly fall short of Utd's incoming and already have vastly higher wage expenditure.

There is one single way to fix that, drop wages of everyone at the club to sustainable levels, with possible incomings of 30-40% less than Utd, that will mean 30-40% lower wages.
 
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