Executed by nitrogen gas

[Maple Leaf]

What’s the stuff that Dignitas use for assisted suicide at their clinics?

yep its the same gas used, so as far as I’m concerned, if its good enough for assisted suicide, it’s good enough for some dirty Murderer, Rapist, Pedo

Sarco pod - Wikipedia

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Dignitas typically uses an oral dose of an antiemetic drug (to prevent vomiting up the lethal drug later), followed approximately half an hour later by a lethal dose of 15 grams of powdered pentobarbital dissolved in a glass of water. That is probably the best way to go, as you go to sleep, then slip into a coma and die painlessly. (The barbiturate overdose causes the heart to stop beating.)

The same drug is used for physician-assisted death in Holland, Oregon, Washington, Vermont and California. The problem is that Pharmaceutical companies won't sell it to the Department of Corrections because they don't want the bad publicity from it being used in executions.

 

[Mujja]

If there is no question the person 100% committed the crime then I don't see an issue if the execution causes them a few seconds of pain before death. They had more notice and time to prepare than their victims.

 

[Maple Leaf]

If there is no question the person 100% committed the crime then I don't see an issue if the execution causes them a few seconds of pain before death. They had more notice and time to prepare than their victims.

What if the agonising pain goes on for an hour like it did with one convict who was killed with cyanide in a botched execution in the US?

Or how about the innocent man who was executed with the electric chair in Florida who was repeatedly shocked for 15 minutes (due to someone deliberately inserting a piece of rubber into the electrode helmet) until his brain boiled and his eyes shot out of their sockets?

 

[Mujja]

What if the agonising pain goes on for an hour like it did with one convict who was killed with cyanide in a botched execution in the US?

How often does an execution go wrong? We can't stop them all because of a few which go wrong. People die everyday in painful accidents with no warning. These guys have been on death row for years, enough time to say goodbye to loved ones, unlike their victims.

Or how about the innocent man

Like I said, if 100% no doubt of guilt.

I realise corrupt states could misuse capital punishment to silence their opponents, I'm not in favour of the death penalty. But if you live in a land where it's the law then don't do the crime.

 

[[FnG]magnolia]

The only thing that'll save this thread from being the GD 3 monthly "KILL EM ALL vs REHABILITATE THEM ALL" nonsense fest is that keef will almost certainly get himself banned because he's a purebred, 100% certified loonbag.

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• Squirrelly Dan: "Allegedly."

Narrator: The thread was not saved from being a repeat of every other thread about corporal punishment. Loonbag not banned. A poor day for making grand assumptions.

 

[Maple Leaf]

How often does an execution go wrong? We can't stop them all because of a few which go wrong. People die everyday in painful accidents with no warning. These guys have been on death row for years, enough time to say goodbye to loved ones, unlike their victims.

Or how about the innocent man who was executed with the electric chair in Florida who was repeatedly shocked for 15 minutes (due to someone deliberately inserting a piece of rubber into the electrode helmet) until his brain boiled and his eyes shot out of their sockets?

Like I said, if 100% no doubt of guilt.

They go wrong shockingly often, which is no surprise given the sadistic nature of many of the people who carry them out. (I mean what kind of person would want to be an executioner?)

That innocent man was found guilty "beyond a reasonable doubt" by a jury of his peers. There is no requirement for 100% proof of guilt in the USA before someone is condemned to execution. He was blamed by the real murderer (who turned State's evidence to get a reduced sentence) and there was some circumstantial forensic evidence at the crime scene. Because he was convicted of shooting dead a Policeman (on a routine traffic stop) someone decided to deliberately botch his execution to make him suffer to the maximum.

 

[Rexxar]

Something else that sticks out for me here is the Mental Health of those working as "Executioner" , what if you "press the button" so to speak and then 5 years later, some sort of Forensic Science breakthrough proves the person's innocence, how do you begin to try and live with that.

 

[Diddums]

I find that not murdering people is a rather effective way of avoiding these death penalties tbh.

 

[Vern1961]

Something else that sticks out for me here is the Mental Health of those working as "Executioner" , what if you "press the button" so to speak and then 5 years later, some sort of Forensic Science breakthrough proves the person's innocence, how do you begin to try and live with that.

If you read the memoirs of some British executioners (Albert Pierrepoint and Syd Dernley who was an assistant), they come across as quite normal people. Guess people thought differemtly back then, it was a job that had to be done and done dispassionately with no view on the person's guilt or otherwise. Syd Dernley was the assistant at the execution of Timothy Evans who was granted a posthumous pardon but if he or Pierrepoint were bothered by the fact or felt any guilt, it didn't come across in the books. Not to say they didn't though...

 

[ubersonic]

And still prisons or death penalties don't deter crime.

Not true.

The ideas of going to prison or being executed if caught are both extremely good/effective deterrents, the fact they're not 100% effective doesn't detract from this.

No doubt effectiveness would be increased if prison sentences were longer, or prison conditions were worse or execution methods more painful and drawn out, however you're never going to get 100% effectiveness as some criminals are incapable of rational/reason based decisions.

 

[Tefal]

Remind me the reason that they don't just shoot people in side of head, is it just the mess? Or use the thing people kills cattle with...

P.s I'm not saying I support the death penalty....just the whole thing seems over engineered...

I find it crazy they don't just do it the dignitas way.

Because of the insane idea it might be "too nice", a bullet is "too brutal" so we end up with these ******* rube Goldbergeqsue creations

 

[Tefal]

Not true.

The ideas of going to prison or being executed if caught are both extremely good/effective deterrents, the fact they're not 100% effective doesn't detract from this.

No doubt effectiveness would be increased if prison sentences were longer, or prison conditions were worse or execution methods more painful and drawn out, however you're never going to get 100% effectiveness as some criminals are incapable of rational/reason based decisions.

They're terrible deterrents, places that have horrible punishments tend to have worse crime rates than those that don't.

I think psychologically it's because criminals make thier judgement on "will I be caught" not "what sentence will I get".

 

[Johno please?]

I was replying to the guy practically edging himself at the thought of others suffering.

I don't have an answer but Terminal is on the right track with the submarine.

Ah, think that was more of a joke, while that was most definitely a quick way to go, i probably think the occupants would disagree about it being "humane".

 

[adam cool dude]

Why can't they do it like in no country for old men with the cattle prod thing?

Very quick and easy. Wouldn't feel a thing.

 

[Allnamestaken]

Ah, think that was more of a joke, while that was most definitely a quick way to go, i probably think the occupants would disagree about it being "humane".

Yeah ofcourse its not humane lol. Thing would be creaking all the way down.

 

[Thekwango]

Narrator: The thread was not saved from being a repeat of every other thread about corporal punishment. Loonbag not banned. A poor day for making grand assumptions.

keefs ok - he's actually quite entertaining, think he might be prone to a bit of mad rant now and again when he's had a few 'lemonades'. i'm sure he had one in the 'what film did you watch last night thread' a while back but they're usually good fun.

 

[robfosters]

I find it crazy they don't just do it the dignitas way.

Because of the insane idea it might be "too nice", a bullet is "too brutal" so we end up with these ******* rube Goldbergeqsue creations

They can’t get the drugs to do it the dignitas way, the Dutch pentobarbital manufacturers won’t sell it to them, and its patented, so they can’t produce their own

 

[Narj]

I think some people are missing the point about the prolonged suffering - it's not all about the person being executed.

The guy's wife had to watch that as did those others witnessing the event (including staff). I would imagine that's a bit of an ordeal and those sort of mental images won't go away quickly.

EDIT: Maybe I'm getting softer in my old age but meh

 

[Semple]

Because they can’t get the drugs.

That was the argument for the lethal injection, which they were moving away from. Sedation drugs are significantly more available.

 

[Maple Leaf]

I find that not murdering people is a rather effective way of avoiding these death penalties tbh.

There were plenty of innocent people who were executed here and in the USA. If we still had the death penalty in the 1970s the Guildford Four and the Birmingham Six would all have been executed. (They were tortured and forced to sign false confessions by the Police.)

Also, people who should have been found not guilty by reason of insanity (for example: untreated paranoid schizophrenics) and given lifetime secure psychiatric hospital orders were often put to death.