10GB vram enough for the 3080? Discuss..

gpuerrilla · 22 Jan 2022 at 22:24

Twinz said:
So turning down settings is only bad when it's due to vram limitations? Is there a thread listing all the games where the 3080 comes up short in raw grunt?

Would not want to express any uneducated opinion.

This thread was about vram I thought, there are other threads made by the same 'experts' it seems if you want to engage (but don't bother wasting your time)!

Bill Turnip said:
I'm a little wary of the statement that "the majority agree with me" when the thread is driven mostly by 3

Who are you referring to Bill?

Bill Turnip · 22 Jan 2022 at 22:40

Nexus18 said:
Thankfully it appears to only be 2-4 (if that???) with that uneducated view point of the vram arguments where as the majority see and agree with our educated points/evidence

I was just unsure who the majority was.

gpuerrilla · 22 Jan 2022 at 22:55

Haha oh right, well I think I know what you mean. Will leave it to the resident specialists to award themselves titles and roles. Having an opinion on a public forum.. who would think of it! :cry:

Bill Turnip said:
I was just unsure who the majority was.

As long as in their own heads they have 'won' I guess. Its a shame some debates especially online platforms people think its 'us vs them' mentality.

What games you playing right now Bill?

Joxeon · 22 Jan 2022 at 23:08

Once games start making use of RTX IO / direct storage then VRAM will be less of an issue anyway so cards like the 3080 may end up aging better than others with more VRAM but less capable RT.

Bill Turnip · 22 Jan 2022 at 23:09

gpuerrilla said:
What games you playing right now Bill?

Going through Horizon Zero Dawn and FM22 depending on available time at the moment (not allowed to play HZD on my own, Mrs Turnip is very interested in it) 10gb of vram working for both!

Tired9 · 22 Jan 2022 at 23:17

Considering the games on the Playstation 2 and the lack of Vram it has, amazing it can do what it does.

gpuerrilla · 22 Jan 2022 at 23:38

Joxeon said:
Once games start making use of RTX IO / direct storage then VRAM will be less of an issue anyway so cards like the 3080 may end up aging better than others with more VRAM but less capable RT.

Yes this seems to have disappeared since Jensen mentioned it at the release. I have read a few people comment a while back that it isnt anything amazing, but I will wait till its in action before judging it. More features/tools for improvements are always welcome!

Wrinkly · 23 Jan 2022 at 02:40

Grim5 said:
Nah 3090 has 24gb baby, don't cry on me now.

I can prove a 3090 thread isn't needed, it has no issues with vram https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xvFZjo5PgG0

What if I write a clone of the original pong that requires 25GB of VRAM?

Basically what AMD have done with FC6 and the texture pack.

Tired9 · 23 Jan 2022 at 09:12

I mean, are FC 6's textures that much better than the last iteration of FC?

RTX 2060 below.

I would love to know what added detail you are getting as I can bet it's a tiny difference.

It would be a tin foil hat move but AMD were touting their Vram standards as better than nVidia's until the 6500 XT came out.

Grim5 · 23 Jan 2022 at 09:16

Joxeon said:
Once games start making use of RTX IO / direct storage then VRAM will be less of an issue anyway so cards like the 3080 may end up aging better than others with more VRAM but less capable RT.

Not really, that's not something you can do until all pc gamers have a GPU that supports direct storage. The only thing direct storage will do for the next few years is make games load slightly faster, the other benefits cannot easily be done on PC because putting them into your game will make the game unplayable for anyone who doesn't have the newest GPU

TNA · 23 Jan 2022 at 09:18

Wrinkly said:
What if I write a clone of the original pong that requires 25GB of VRAM?

Basically what AMD have done with FC6 and the texture pack.

Tired9 · 23 Jan 2022 at 09:18

Time and time again, Vram almost makes no difference, we had GTX 680's with 4GB and even now it makes no difference in any games that saturate 2GB mostly.

People get way ahead of themselves.

Nexus18 · 23 Jan 2022 at 09:52

Completely agree with the fc new dawn statements, textures in that looked stunning and in some places, better than fc 6 imo, main difference with fc 6 is the variety of world assets though.

Grim5 said:
Not really, that's not something you can do until all pc gamers have a GPU that supports direct storage. The only thing direct storage will do for the next few years is make games load slightly faster, the other benefits cannot easily be done on PC because putting them into your game will make the game unplayable for anyone who doesn't have the newest GPU

Sadly most likely this.

See rank and clatchet to see just how game changing direct storage is, however, who knows, maybe they could have an option to change between direct storage and the current method....

azazl187 · 23 Jan 2022 at 10:08

This thread clearly needs a poll. I think the problem here is that Nvidia knew 8gb was too low for 4k gaming but released it anyway so that the enthusiasts that want to play at 4k with all settings on very high or ultra will have to buy the 3090 or 3080ti.

It's all about making the most you can out if your customer base.

TNA · 23 Jan 2022 at 11:52

azazl187 said:
It's all about making the most you can out if your customer base.

Yep. That’s what Nvidia are all about. Jensen is pro at that game.

3080 was able to hit a nice price point but with only 10gb vram. Want more vram? Pay us double or more and we give you 24GB and throw in an extra 15% performance :cry:

Wrinkly · 23 Jan 2022 at 11:53

Nexus18 said:
Completely agree with the fc new dawn statements, textures in that looked stunning and in some places, better than fc 6 imo, main difference with fc 6 is the variety of world assets though.

Higher number of assets just requires more efficient streaming. Something they have failed to impove upon for the texture pack. There again why would they when AMD were paying them not to.

I've said before, this is AMD's Crysis 2, except back then we all knew Nvidia were being ********.

Grim5 · 23 Jan 2022 at 22:43

Yeah can a mod add a poll to the thread? Would be so much better than having to read all the posts

gerardfraser · 24 Jan 2022 at 06:26

LtMatt said:
As the issue (FPS drops to single digits) only happened on the 3080, and not the much slower 3060, I guess that confirms the cause is lack of VRAM on the 3080 as we have cited all along as no other GPUs are affected. ReBar on Nvidia appears to use more VRAM, perhaps...
Now you can make an argument to disable it and if that fixes the FPS drops, bad frame times and image issues I agree we can close the case. @tommybhoy @gerardfraser - As impartial 3080 users, we await your feedback.

Sorry just seen this post a few days later.
I agree with LTMatt 100% I have not read all the post in this thread and just went through the post I quoted.

My RTX 3080 can not run this game at 4K Ultra settings and HD Textures on,10 GB is not enough,hell even without HD Textures on still runs bad at times on 4K Ultra settings. My RTX 3080 will get down to single digit FPS even with Rebar disabled at 4K with Hd Textures. The game runs really bad on the RTX 3080,the game was fun for awhile but with all the problems,I will not be finishing the game.

I have tested the game on 3 different computers with RTX 3080. I played 42+ hours and uploaded 51 Far Cry 6 Videos to youtube on the three different computers.
Computers I used were all Intel and Nvidia. 10850K build and two 12900K builds.

I checked out the game today a couple days ago for missing textures,I did not find any but I did find on the DLC Vass the game still has problems with missing shadows,flickering shadow and stuff just disappearing.

I do not have problems on any other PC Games and when I play at lower than 4K resolutions I do not have crashes or bad frametimes etc,just my two cents.

Video bad FPS and crash to desktop even with HD Textures off. I also could be 100% wrong and it is not the RTX 3080

gpuerrilla · 24 Jan 2022 at 07:52

Tired9 · 24 Jan 2022 at 08:57

It seems AMD Fine Wined FC6.
Nice to see a game that counters The Way It Is Meant To Be Played for once LOL.