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Thanks, B350 it is then.
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*** AMD "Zen" thread (inc AM4/APU discussion) ***
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Thanks. Just ordered it, seems to be stock coming in now at some retailers.Enjoy
That's the thing I don't get, why they put X370 on itx boards? few of them look exactly the same B350 and X370 on itx format, or is there any difference that I'm missing?
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To be honest as i've never owned an ITX mobo i have no idea. One thing for sure though, if i was going SLI or Crossfire, i would never buy an ITX mobo
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So the other difference between X370 and B350 is you get more USB 3.1 G1 (6 instead of 2), you get 4 instead of 2 Sata and 8 instead of 6 PCI-e 2.X
With that though it does mean more connectivity overall but going for ITX it doesn't seem to be really needed from B350 either. The biggest reason honestly is selling point that it has X370 on it and so they can charge for it because people see it as the premium.
With that though it does mean more connectivity overall but going for ITX it doesn't seem to be really needed from B350 either. The biggest reason honestly is selling point that it has X370 on it and so they can charge for it because people see it as the premium.
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Make sure you get good ram and read this article here about how affects performance. (2666->3200 is 10-14% flat more fps)
https://community.amd.com/community...emory-oc-showdown-frequency-vs-memory-timings
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And what about the phases (vrm) x370 had better (more) phases than the B350. Not per se better overclock but likely better temperature at higher clock speed, right?
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Given that all boards should support the 1800X, you don't have issues. If remembering correctly from a review only the Asrock mITX has power issues with the 1800X.
Even the biostar mITX supports the 1800X @ 4Ghz on all cores. After that depends.
Imho the Asus B350 Strixx is the best. And several benchmarks I have seen it's performance is in par if not better than the X370s.
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My only concern with the B350's is how they will get on with zen+ overclocking. They get toasty now.
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The B350 doesnt have to have less or worse power. Just naturally they go hand in hand. But they generally could be easier to control a higher clock and push it thst little furrher.
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Depends the board? Maybe use a down flowing aircooler or monoblock?
One of the surprising gems AMD provided, is the damn Wraith cooler. Is superb overclocking even the 1700 cooling the board parts around the socket also.
Also the Zen+ will remain on same power consumption. The process raises the clocks not the voltage.
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To be frank, that is a stupid statement. No one other than the peeps at AMD actually know what Zen+ will bring to the table. To casually make a statement like that as if it were a fact is just plain wrong.
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Silversurfer posted this in the Vega thread:
http://i.imgur.com/fb4kFYB.png
It is basically a picture from an earlier AMD event but with a picture of the Eypc CPU with an IHS superimposed into the picture.
It does look at least one model of the APU is not really any smaller than the Ryzen CPU.
http://i.imgur.com/fb4kFYB.png
It is basically a picture from an earlier AMD event but with a picture of the Eypc CPU with an IHS superimposed into the picture.
It does look at least one model of the APU is not really any smaller than the Ryzen CPU.
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I don't disagree, however is the same as thinking how the power consumption will be in 6-8 months of the time.
But my writing was based on the targets of the Samsung Zeppelin+, which AMD is using. The targets are for same power envelope having higher speeds.
Also all the current X370 & B350 boards will be useless if AMD pulls a SkylakeX and raises the power draw. Already 1.45v is the max the 14nm can take, and that can be served with the current stuff, minus couple of board. eg the mITX from Asrock which is struggling on some reviews on 8 core CPU at 4Ghz.
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Silversurfer posted this in the Vega thread:
http://i.imgur.com/fb4kFYB.png
It is basically a picture from an earlier AMD event but with a picture of the Eypc CPU with an IHS superimposed into the picture.
It does look at least one model of the APU is not really any smaller than the Ryzen CPU.
Yeah that's an old EPYC picture. The Threadripper has only 2 CPU modules, not 4.
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I am looking more at the relative size of the APU - maybe those rumours of 704 shaders are true. Its certainly bigger than a Core i7 7700K for sure.
With two generations of improved colour compression and fast DDR4,this might end up having quite a fast IGP.
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I've got some 3000MHz Corsair LPX to go in from the current 6700k build. Not sure if it's Hynix or Samsung but hopefully get it running at its rated speed. I've got some 3600MHz G.skill running at 3200MHZ in my other Ryzen gaming PC.
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Just finished my setup with the same msi mortar motherboard. What settings have you used to get your ram up to that? Currently at 2800mhz with 1.35v. Anything higher and it fails to boot. Not really spent much time tweaking it.Have my little system up and running, so far very happy with the performance of it. The 3200mhz ram i got upto 3066 so far and i can only guess with more updates it'll be running at full pelt soon enough. Even got a slight overclock of the cpu with it at 3750mhz, not entirely sure of the voltage, think its at stock or a little over it, still tinkering with some options.
Gaming performance is really good, some of the reviews stated 2500k performance gameplay, which is utter bs from what i'm seeing so far. Using a fury x on my previous matx board on a 2600k at 3.5 bf1 at 1440p would see dips down past the 60fps range even with some settings dialled down, this is running ultra with the same fury x locked to 60fps, the only time it dips to any degree is at the end of round screen where the camera zooms out from your character. Was doing similar before any overclock was involved though didn't play with it long enough at stock to see if this held out over different maps.
Just waiting on my am4 bracket arriving so i can plonk my liquid cooler onto it
I have the dreaded v5.39 corsair vengeance lpx 3200 ram...
Seen a good 30fps increase in fps over my 3570k with the same gpu in bf1, without overclocking the ryzen 1700.
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I have v5.39 & v4.24 - the first one fails to boot higher that 2666Mhz second one is stuck @2933Mhz. Going from i7 860 my minimum & maximum fps improved a bit. Also the overall room temperature has dropped considerable. During the heat with outside temps of 32 degrees my CPU was running at 95 degrees with Bequiet cooler.