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waiting waiting, patiently waiting. Come on U2412m, come to daddy...
Dell U2412M, U2312HM and U2212HM on their way!
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My two get delivered tomorrow by UPS! 
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Do keep us updated guys
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Just thought you'd like to know that the U2212HM and U2312HM must be edging pretty close to release as they are now listed on Dell's US website for $279 and $319.
Could you run a couple of fast paced fps games to see if there is any noticeable ghosting? Thinking of getting one but loads of reviews mention ghosting in fast paced games.
I played 10 minutes or so each of left4dead and tf2 and I didn't see any ghosting myself. I'd take that with a pinch of salt though since I've never used a 120Hz TN display and my last two screens were a similar Dell and the old 28" hanns-g. I was satisfied by the lack of ghosting, you might see something that annoys you.
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The problem is that 'fast paced' games often vary in their pace. On Bad Company 2, for example, the U2412M puts in pretty much the smoothest 60Hz performance you will see at medium speeds. When you're dashing around on foot, for example. The trailing is quite 'short' and consistent and appears as a kind of small vibration of some textures. It isn't enough to distract from the gameplay, in my opinion. If you then start zipping around in an ATV on BC2, however, you start to notice more exaggerated trailing which could prove distracting and some artifacts start kicking in. Given the amount of time you spend on foot vs. in a fast vehicle on that game perhaps that isn't really an issue. I've also tested Dirt 3 and found that the trailing is quite noticeable if you're specifically looking for it and turning corners but if you concentrate on the driving like you should be it's not a problem.
Also - I can confirm (as somebody sensitive to it) that the U2412M has very low input lag and, overall, feels a nice responsive monitor for the majority of games. It isn't a 120Hz monitor (that goes without saying) but it could give many TN panels a run for their money.
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The problem is that 'fast paced' games often vary in their pace. On Bad Company 2, for example, the U2412M puts in pretty much the smoothest 60Hz performance you will see at medium speeds. When you're dashing around on foot, for example. The trailing is quite 'short' and consistent and appears as a kind of small vibration of some textures. It isn't enough to distract from the gameplay, in my opinion. If you then start zipping around in an ATV on BC2, however, you start to notice more exaggerated trailing which could prove distracting and some artifacts start kicking in. Given the amount of time you spend on foot vs. in a fast vehicle on that game perhaps that isn't really an issue. I've also tested Dirt 3 and found that the trailing is quite noticeable if you're specifically looking for it and turning corners but if you concentrate on the driving like you should be it's not a problem.
Also - I can confirm (as somebody sensitive to it) that the U2412M has very low input lag and, overall, feels a nice responsive monitor for the majority of games. It isn't a 120Hz monitor (that goes without saying) but it could give many TN panels a run for their money.
Guess the million dollar question is: does this warrant ditching 120Hz for the U2412M's IPS panel? At least for someone who doesn't play competitive multiplayer or something "elite" like that where TN would be the obvious choice.
The only IPS screen I've ever seen is on a Macbook Pro and it makes my Dell Inspiron look like crap. Why can't they just make a 120Hz 3D IPS? Hah!
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Guess the million dollar question is: does this warrant ditching 120Hz for the U2412M's IPS panel? At least for someone who doesn't play competitive multiplayer or something "elite" like that where TN would be the obvious choice.
The only IPS screen I've ever seen is on a Macbook Pro and it makes my Dell Inspiron look like crap. Why can't they just make a 120Hz 3D IPS? Hah!
Tough call. And yes a 120Hz 3D IPS would be lovely. Actually this is something I will be discussing with some important people in the industry next week. As it stands the current IPS tech. isn't really fast enough for this to work properly. I'm not sure if PLS could be tuned more easily for this but if it can be done it will be done, I'm sure.
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Maybe an inhibiting factor is that most producers assume that there isn't a market for expensive monitors (as I imagine a 120Hz 3D IPS would be) when it comes to gamers and I don't blame them; I've seen people splurge in excess of €2500 on gaming graphics/cpu/mobo/ram then getting a €250 monitor. It's something which, at least from my statistically useless anecdote, seems to be the norm.
I'm willing to wait, however. Going Ivy Bridge next year and I imagine a monitor of that calibre would compliment it nicely
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Maybe an inhibiting factor is that most producers assume that there isn't a market for expensive monitors (as I imagine a 120Hz 3D IPS would be) when it comes to gamers and I don't blame them; I've seen people splurge in excess of €2500 on gaming graphics/cpu/mobo/ram then getting a €250 monitor. It's something which, at least from my statistically useless anecdote, seems to be the norm.
I'm willing to wait, however. Going Ivy Bridge next year and I imagine a monitor of that calibre would compliment it nicely
I don't think it would matter how much money you throw at it, it won't get rid of the barriers that the technology currently has in terms of responsiveness. This is something I specifically talked to Dell about today - not to site pimp there is an article on my website all about 120Hz IPS technology and why it isn't feasible at present. Comes up quite easily on Google so you've probably read it. I think LG are very much aware of the growing interest in their IPS panel technology in the consumer market and it's great that they are reaching out to such users with their focus on 'E-IPS' technology. If the required breakthrough in pixel responsiveness is made then the end product may well be quite expensive at first - but I would expect the pricing to be in line with the Samsung SA750 series, SA950 series and some of the 27" IPS models people currently opt for as 'entertainment monitors'.
But an important point to make is that the market itself for such a product is indeed relatively small and perhaps too small to warrant the kind of research and development costs involved in developing such a technology. Given the current investment by LG in OLED technology they are also keen on pushing things in a different direction.
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Just received my U2412M this morning. Had a quick peak at it looks lovely. The stand is awesome too. I will plug it in tonight and post back with some feedback
I will keep an eye out
.Guess the million dollar question is: does this warrant ditching 120Hz for the U2412M's IPS panel? At least for someone who doesn't play competitive multiplayer or something "elite" like that where TN would be the obvious choice.
The only IPS screen I've ever seen is on a Macbook Pro and it makes my Dell Inspiron look like crap. Why can't they just make a 120Hz 3D IPS? Hah!
There are no MacBook models with an IPS screen, they're just pretty nice TN panels, still have a less than great viewing angle though.
There are some very good looking TN panels and if viewing angle isn't a major issue and accurate colour isn't hugely important to you then it's probably not worth switching to an IPS panel.
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crap news indeed. might buy another u2410 before its obsolete. i love my u2410.
I will keep an eye out
Bought this to replace my Dell ST2410 as the TN panel was getting on my nerves due to the position/location I have to have the screen, so bought this as a replacement.
Monitor aesthetically looks awesome... really nice, doesn't feel cheaply made. Black/Silver bezel looks good. Overall it looks brilliant. Significantly better than the ST2410 which looks imo cheap in comparison. I think the stand makes the big difference here. Always liked these dell twist/tilt style stands. The stand has a hole in for cable management too which is good, keeps it looking tidy.
The panel itself is great. I haven't spotted any dead pixels and even if I did thankfully this comes as standard with dell premium dead pixel warranty.
The colours in comparison to my old TN panel are a big improvement. Significantly richer and deeper. Partly down to having LED backlight? I don't know, but everything looks great. Low power consumption too thanks to the LED backlight. Haven't seen any noticeable backlight bleed either which is good. I haven't noticed any ghosting etc during the games I tried out. I read some reviews on this mentioning a grainy effect due to the anti-glare coating, but I couldn't see this at all, if it is there, it must be very minor.
I'll put some pictures up later too
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Yeah. any idea when the U2412M will be in stock OCUK? I have money!