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If AMD are doing well how come there shares suck?, Just had a look out of interest and Nvidia tower of them. Very strange I would have thought AMD with all the console stuff would have climbed well. Seems the stockmarket doesnt share the the same optimism. As for Intel, Intel is Intel.

(This is a genuine question, just in case the defence league wants to take offence by it)

Edit: Just reading up on the shares of all three companies. Quite interesting really and the yearly share prices are quite suprising(well to me) if you look at the trends.
 
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LtMatt said:
He's renowned for his love of Nvidia on ocn. Kind of like the american version of Greg. :p
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Ha, this made me chuckle. It is true Alatar is very pro Nvidia. More so than Gregster tbh. I think Gregster just likes nice tech. Most of that comes from Nvidia :p

Seriously though aren't you guys getting bored of moaning about DX12 VS Mantle? I think it's good that there is this much interest back in PC gaming. I remember a few years back people like Cliffy B saying
I think the PC is just in disarray
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and others referring to consoles as the 'golden standard'. At least Dev's seem to be getting into PC development again. The simpler things can be made the better.

All this new software and upcoming new hardware and PC moving onto 4K It will be a good few years for PC gaming imho.
 
drunkenmaster said:
You do realise it SPECIFICALLY says PROFESSIONAL segment, as in by far the smallest of any segments and utterly unrelated to gaming, completely.

The actual gpu's sold market share is Intel wins, AMD has around 20% and Nvidia around 16%, throw in consoles at maybe 20-25mil a year to AMD and that increases a decent amount.

Nvidia absolutely in no way is the market leader, they are by a margin the third biggest player in gpu sales, and a larger margin when talking about gaming specifically.

90%..... lol also for the record, AMD is eating into Nvidia's professional market share pretty fast.
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There's responding, then there's responding with added hyperventilation. I know what I much rather read from you.
 
A lot of what DM posts doesn't make sense. Great walls of text with very little content or context within the subject matter. Just personal opinion. Should be taken with pinch of salt. The actual market figures speak for themselves..

Nvidia own around 52% of the GPU market. It's going up while AMD's is going down.

Add-in board market up in Q4, Nvidia gains market share
http://jonpeddie.com/press-releases/details/add-in-board-market-up-in-q4-nvidia-gains-market-share/

GPU market up—Intel and Nvidia graphics winners in Q4, AMD down
http://jonpeddie.com/press-releases...l-and-nvidia-graphics-winners-in-q4-amd-down/

Moving forward: Why NVIDIA Will Dominate the Gaming Notebook Market
http://www.fool.com/investing/gener...-will-dominate-the-gaming-notebook-marke.aspx

No wall of text will change the facts..
 
Boomstick777 said:
A lot of what DM posts doesn't make sense. Great walls of text with very little content or context within the subject matter. Just personal opinion. Should be taken with pinch of salt. The actual market figures speak for themselves..

Nvidia own around 52% of the GPU market. It's going up while AMD's is going down.

Add-in board market up in Q4, Nvidia gains market share
http://jonpeddie.com/press-releases/details/add-in-board-market-up-in-q4-nvidia-gains-market-share/

GPU market up—Intel and Nvidia graphics winners in Q4, AMD down
http://jonpeddie.com/press-releases...l-and-nvidia-graphics-winners-in-q4-amd-down/

Moving forward: Why NVIDIA Will Dominate the Gaming Notebook Market
http://www.fool.com/investing/gener...-will-dominate-the-gaming-notebook-marke.aspx

No wall of text will change the facts..
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It depends what you call the gpu market. In the full market intel are the biggest followed by amd then Nvidia. The image below shows last quarter with amd at 18.3%, Nvidia 16.6% and Intel at 65.1%.

http://hothardware.com/newsimages/Item29001/Q413.JPG
 
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Don't Nvidia also get stability from military/high end defence contracts?

Though i imagine AMD also get some, but Nvidia must get the majority.
 
Can we get back on topic please? I don't want to ready about brand financial penis waving in a DX12 Thread. :)
 
Tonester0011 said:
I always go on discreet market share. You're posting in the graphics card section afterall ;)
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From what i seen it was about gpu market share and Intel were involved so obviously its overall market share that was being argued not discreet. Any how its a stupid argument and we should get back on track like Humbug said.
 
Whether or not my 780ti supports DirectX 12 doesn't really bother me. I always buy the flagship Nvidia GPU every year, so whenever DirectX 12 comes out I will have bought the GPU that supports it anyway.
 
Sayjimwoo said:
Whether or not my 780ti supports DirectX 12 doesn't really bother me. I always buy the flagship Nvidia GPU every year, so whenever DirectX 12 comes out I will have bought the GPU that supports it anyway.
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It will support DX12, Nvidia said it will. :)
 
drunkenmaster said:
You do realise it SPECIFICALLY says PROFESSIONAL segment, as in by far the smallest of any segments and utterly unrelated to gaming, completely.

The actual gpu's sold market share is Intel wins, AMD has around 20% and Nvidia around 16%, throw in consoles at maybe 20-25mil a year to AMD and that increases a decent amount.

Nvidia absolutely in no way is the market leader, they are by a margin the third biggest player in gpu sales, and a larger margin when talking about gaming specifically.

90%..... lol also for the record, AMD is eating into Nvidia's professional market share pretty fast.
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Intel do not sell gpu's, they sell CPUs with basic graphics chips on the cpu, As do amd with some of their CPUs , Actual graphics cards that most gamers want are amd and nvidia dedicated cards.
 
Ian Evey said:
Intel do not sell gpu's, they sell CPUs with basic graphics chips on the cpu, As do amd with some of their CPUs , Actual graphics cards that most gamers want are amd and nvidia dedicated cards.
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The majority of what AMD/Nvidia sell are also extremely low end cards that are basically crap for gaming. AMD and Intel's iGPU's are a match for low end cards these days, to the point that Nvidia has said recently the low end doesn't matter.

But the biggest portion of Nvidia's 55% or so of discrete gpu's sold is effectively gpu's that are in the class of Igpu's, and on which people don't game.

It also doesn't matter. The fact is Lambchop in his usual trolling uninformed style decided to claim Nvidia had a 90% market share... they do not, by any sensible measure of the market, discrete or total, Nvidia isn't remotely close to 90%, the number was laughably stupid.

I've not seen numbers of cards vs price bracket, but Nvidia's highest volume market is notebook low end gpu's stuck in Intel laptops, a market that is all but locked out from AMD. Considering the volume of that market, it's highly likely that discrete cards say above $100 would be an AMD lead in discrete gpu's. But the data is rarely broken down like that.
 
drunkenmaster said:
The majority of what AMD/Nvidia sell are also extremely low end cards that are basically crap for gaming. AMD and Intel's iGPU's are a match for low end cards these days, to the point that Nvidia has said recently the low end doesn't matter.

But the biggest portion of Nvidia's 55% or so of discrete gpu's sold is effectively gpu's that are in the class of Igpu's, and on which people don't game.

It also doesn't matter. The fact is Lambchop in his usual trolling uninformed style decided to claim Nvidia had a 90% market share... they do not, by any sensible measure of the market, discrete or total, Nvidia isn't remotely close to 90%, the number was laughably stupid.

I've not seen numbers of cards vs price bracket, but Nvidia's highest volume market is notebook low end gpu's stuck in Intel laptops, a market that is all but locked out from AMD. Considering the volume of that market, it's highly likely that discrete cards say above $100 would be an AMD lead in discrete gpu's. But the data is rarely broken down like that.
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There's only one person looking stupid and time and time again in this forum its you.

http://www.brightsideofnews.com/new...s2c-how-will-amd-stay-profitable-in-2014.aspx

It's a bloody sad day when someone like DM calls me a troll.
 
Why are you again linking to something that doesn't say Nvidia has a 90% market share in anything to do with gaming? By total gpu's sold in PC, or by discrete gpu's sold, or by gaming gpu's sold Nvidia do not have a 90% market share. You are linking to something which also does not claim Nvidia has a 90% market share.
 
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U wot m8?
 
YarwoodUK said:
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U wot m8?
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Dunno who you're replying to, but assuming it's the 65% market share claim from Nvidia: Intel don't do discrete graphics. Apologies if I've misinterpreted.

tommybhoy said:
Wtf does market share have to do with DX Mantle anyway?
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DX12 is available to all DX11 Nvidia GPUs and GCN-equipped AMD GPUs (probably 70%+ discrete GPUs)

Mantle is available to GCN AMD GPUs (sub-30%, probably around 20%)

If you were a developer about to start making a game, would you bother tacking Mantle on, given that AMD themselves admit it takes considerable time to implement? Sure, the gains are worth it against DX11, but DX12?
 
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